need pointers, always shooting low and to the left

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I consider myself a novice but I've shot quite a lot in the last year and I seem to consistently shoot low and to the left between 7 and 8 oclock. I've tried less trigger finger and more trigger finger and changing my grip but I can't seem to fix it. Its obviously me as it follows me on a .45 1911, .22 1911 and a G17.

For my sight picture I generally use what is seen in #3 of this picture trying to focus on the front sight rather then the rear
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Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
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My preference is a six o'clock hold on bullseye (option 2).

Here's a guide to help narrow down errant shot patterns.

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thank you. I'll give the chart a go and get my buddy to watch me closely. I've tried to correct dipping at home with dry firing and balancing a quarter on the slide but might not be concentrating as much since there's no "bang"
 
You could also ask your buddy to load the mag for u and randomly put a snap cap in. Helps determine if you're flinching. I experienced similar issues when shooting my walther p99 and M&P 9 (no probs with my sig) turns out I was using too small a backstrap. It felt great but caused poor finger positioning on the trigger.
 
ceezed said:
turns out I was using too small a backstrap. It felt great but caused poor finger positioning on the trigger.
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Just discovered that revelation myself. Changed over to the med back strap on my M&P and voila groups tightened up significantly. And all this time I have been chasing after the slimest HGs I could find, go figure!

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ceezed said:
You could also ask your buddy to load the mag for u and randomly put a snap cap in. Helps determine if you're flinching. I experienced similar issues when shooting my walther p99 and M&P 9 (no probs with my sig) turns out I was using too small a backstrap. It felt great but caused poor finger positioning on the trigger.
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Good tip...have yet to try that with my bad boy
 
Most people I see who shoot low left are subconsciously slapping the trigger. They see the sight picture they want and their brain says "NOW!" and....
Practice prepping the trigger or taking up the slack and holding against the sear as you refine your sight picture. When the sight picture is acceptable for the shot you are trying to make, build pressure gradually on the trigger, squeezing it straight back along its own axis and keeping your eyes on the front sight until you see it begin to lift in recoil (this is the follow-through). Where the sight was at the moment it began to lift is where the bullet went. This is how you will call your shots without having to visually confirm on the target. If you don't see the sight begin to lift, you are probably blinking at the moment of the trigger press. If you are blinking, you are probably slapping.
 
It's either a flinch issue or you're snatching at the trigger. Either will produce low and left groups that are decidely open and look more like you threw a handful of gravel at the target.

You say you have a .22? Use that for live fire training for now instead of the center fire guns. The lower recoil will make it easier to ignore. Losing the flinch is mostly about ignoring recoil. Losing the clutch of the trigger is about learning to be smooth. The rimfire gun will aid in one case and at least be cheaper to shoot in the other.

Concentrate on a smooth build of pressure on the trigger. Don't conciously try to move it. Just build pressure and let it move where and how it does to the pressure build.

Pull all the way back to the rear of the trigger travel. Do NOT pull just to the BANG!. Ignore the BANG!. Pull to the travel limit and HOLD the trigger there through the recoil. Once the wobbling of the recoil stops then ease off the pressure with the same care as the initial pull. Feel for the reset "click" as you ease the pressure off. Once you feel it you can reverse the pressure to a build for the next shot.

By concentrating on the pressure build and stopping only at the travel limit it removes your mental focus from the BIG BANG!. And that is a huge part of learning to shoot through any flinch issues. And if it's a case of you clutching with your whole hand at the trigger then by learning to move that one finger in isolation and to build pressure on the trigger instead of knowingly pulling it you'll disconnect yourself from the BANG! to a greater extent.
 
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