Bringing back from the States

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brunobell said:
So I can buy a press and bring it back? Is there a list somewhere of what IS controlled so I can make sure a press isn't?
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I posted a link to the ITAR page a couple posts back (and again below). On the left side, there is a link to the "Response Team", where you can email questions, and they get back to you in a couple days. I've used it several times, often to confirm what I've posted here.

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/

And ITAR and Consolidated ITAR
http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/itar.html
 
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SandRoad said:
NO,

There are NO LOOPHOLES.

If ANYONE (citizenship doesn't matter) wants to export from the US, any firearms, parts, optics, ammo, or reloading components (including projectiles), it must be done through a registered exporter. A registered exporter has an exemption that they don't have to get an individual export permit if the shipment is under $100. This "exemption" is not an exemption of ITAR, but an exemption that a registered exporter (not an individual, or anyone else) doesn't need to get an individual export license for the shipment.

BTW, the penalties that could be applied for exporting a single projectile are exactly the same for all ITAR controlled items (up to nuclear bombs)....

Typically if a person is caught exporting something like ammo or components, ALL purchases are confiscated and the person is banned from entering the US for a MINIMUM of 5 years (could be up to life). It is exceptionally easy for US Customs to put people on a ban list, a couple seconds, and they don't even need a reason. Maximum penalties are, well, lets just say you don't want to find out.

A ban entering the US also means being on the "No-Fly" list, so you can't even overfly US territory, even if you don't land. Which means to going to the Caribbean would have to be via Europe.....

BTW, it did happen to a CGN member a couple years ago over a questionable item. The item wasn't ITAR controlled, but he was banned anyway by the US Agent, and the member didn't even know until he tried to go to the US a couple weeks later .....

http://pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/itar_official.html


BTW, Canada doesn't really care what you IMPORT, but the US certainly cares what you EXPORT.
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http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/information/residents/us-eu-eng.htm
 
cigarbufff said:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/information/residents/us-eu-eng.htm
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Obviously the RCMP doesn’t have anything to do with US laws, and quite honestly, they really don't know much about the US law. That page is really just a convenience and a starting place.

Also, that website generally talks about Canadians temporarily importing firearms into the US, not exporting out of the US, those are different scenarios, some different laws, and a different part of ITAR applies. Also, several items on that RCMP website are out of date.

There was an official statement published by the ATF last year that their interpretation of non immigrant aliens was wrong. So now anyone entering with a visa can buy ammo and firearms (every time you cross the border and US CBP let's you in, that is a verbal visa, and defined as such in US immigration law, forgot the Visa number, but it's in one of my posts this past year). So yes, a Canadian can now apply through the US Federal background checks, and purchase a gun. HOWEVER, most States have their own laws regarding residency and eligibility, so generally it's not going to happen.

But purchasing and possession within the US is entirely different than exporting. Completely different laws, and even a different Federal Department (State Department rather than ATF).
 
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With the crazy convoluted US export laws anyone wanting to take any firearm/accessories out of US are nuts.
 
SandRoad said:
I posted a link to the ITAR page a couple posts back (and again below). On the left side, there is a link to the "Response Team", where you can email questions, and they get back to you in a couple days. I've used it several times, often to confirm what I've posted here.

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/

And ITAR and Consolidated ITAR
http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/itar.html
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Thanks SandRoad, I will check it out!

edit: I emailed ITAR, they responded within 20mins. They confirmed that "tools for hand loading are not controlled under ITAR".

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roberti11 said:
Use the 'retailer search function' on the Hornady website, there are 40 Hornady dealers within 50 miles of Chicago, with one of the smaller dealers you could call and reserve one as most places will likley be have low stock, especially for the shell plates.
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durr, guess i had a blonde moment. thanks!
 
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My buddy doesn't think they will do much even with my warning, he brings powder, leads and primers across all the time, never claims them and hides them in his luggage. Should be interesting to see what happens as he is going across soon for more even after the Boston bombing. He doesn't think they are serious about it.

Can they take his truck , jail time etc... ???
 
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Charlie38 said:
My buddy doesn't think they will do much even with my warning, he brings powder, leads and primers across all the time, never claims them and hides them in his luggage. Should be interesting to see what happens as he is going across soon for more even after the Boston bombing. He doesn't thing they are serious about it.

Can they take his truck , jail time etc... ???
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They can take his truck, his ability to cross the border, and his freedom. Department of Homeland Security does not give warnings.
 
Charlie38 said:
My buddy doesn't think they will do much even with my warning, he brings powder, leads and primers across all the time, never claims them and hides them in his luggage. Should be interesting to see what happens as he is going across soon for more even after the Boston bombing. He doesn't thing they are serious about it.

Can they take his truck , jail time etc... ???
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If they so wish they CAN take his truck.ITAR violations and convictions are also subject to possible jail time. It's up to DHS and the Federal Prosecutor how far they want to take it,and their power is virtually unlimited.Most violations are met with confiscation and possibly the 5 year US travel ban.If he runs into an exit check(and they are becoming more and more common),he'll find out how serious they can be.I hate to say it,but your friend is an idiot. Mur
 
Fusilier said:
They can take his truck, his ability to cross the border, and his freedom. Department of Homeland Security does not give warnings.
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You got that right. We were stopped on a random check just south @ 3 miles south of CANADIAN customs,They all were there sherriff dea atf and even U.S. forestery. Asked if we had anything they had a quick look and we were on or way. But I asked the one fellow about components and he told us "If you are not a resident of the state and or a resident of the U.S.A. don't get caught because you will be sad for a long time". Also all of the stores in Minot N.D. have a list posted at their ammunition with the regs.
 
Fusilier said:
You can bring back cleaning supplies, cleaning tools, wrenches and screwdrivers, etc. You can bring back reloading presses, dies, tool heads, parts, etc. as long as you don't have any actual components included (no bullets, no powder, no primers, no brass) because those things are specifically listed in the ITAR regs.
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Shotgun brass can be exported. Buffalo Shooting Center shipped me a couple boxes of .410 brass last year. They can't ship any other components up here though.
 
cigarbufff said:
Damn this sucks..I bought my US hunting license based on the RCMP statement on the website...Guess im screwed now
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Still a good thing to have when you have firearms and ammo in the US. I don't know, but there could be State laws to that effect too, many State laws were modeled after Federal law.

Also, not every LEO in the US is up to date on the laws. Especially with customs, etc, they act first, ask questions later.
 
SandRoad said:
Still a good thing to have when you have firearms and ammo in the US. I don't know, but there could be State laws to that effect too, many State laws were modeled after Federal law.

Also, not every LEO in the US is up to date on the laws. Especially with customs, etc, they act first, ask questions later.
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that is very true
 
Charlie38 said:
My buddy doesn't think they will do much even with my warning, he brings powder, leads and primers across all the time, never claims them and hides them in his luggage. Should be interesting to see what happens as he is going across soon for more even after the Boston bombing. He doesn't thing they are serious about it.

Can they take his truck , jail time etc... ???
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I certainly hope he isn't packing primers and powder in luggage that's going on board a plane. That would be extremely dangerous.
 
Charlie38 said:
My buddy doesn't think they will do much even with my warning, he brings powder, leads and primers across all the time, never claims them and hides them in his luggage. Should be interesting to see what happens as he is going across soon for more even after the Boston bombing. He doesn't thing they are serious about it.

Can they take his truck , jail time etc... ???
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He won't need a Holiday Inn reservation for that night.........
 
The folks at Buffalo Gun Centre used to do an export run to the border on Saturdays for Canadian customers. Worth checking to see if they still do this and if they can do reloading components for you.
 
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