Table start position

"It is recommended that:

- if a firearm is to be picked up off a table, the table top MUST have a non-slip surface and a raised lip." IPSC/BC House Rules & Guidelines 2013-2014

My wife is taking her Black Badge course this weekend and after watching the 'snatch & load' videos, quoted that off the top of her head. I hate it when she does that ....
 
New or old to IPSC you clearly have better control of the firearm in option 2 with no real time penalty.
If your .6's look rushed on a home video (to me they do- but what do I know) they will go all all pear shaped when a beep really happens.
I watched the other video as well and imediately my pucker tightened up, the ability of the gun dropping or spinning is huge. If I was the RO I would already be at a higher level of observance just watching the make ready. As for the ninja start, how many times didn't it work?
 
OK - as a mere mortal, I missed how the slide was racked. 'Splain, por favor ..... great stunt, though.
Having watched this, I see utterly no point in starting a stage in this manner - just my humble opinion.
The potential for a FUBAR is just too great.

pauls said:
Everyone keeps forgetting option 3
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Sharps '63 said:
OK - as a mere mortal, I missed how the slide was racked.
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A super light recoil spring in the gun and a no mainspring design (striker) allows practically no resistance on the slide and the guy to jerk the gun straight back and then ram it forward (see :20 for slo mo) causing the slide to rack and a round to chamber.

It's easy on a Glock but even possible on a 1911 or CZ/Tanfo with a 6lb recoil spring and a 13lb mainspring.
If the gun is set up right, it's really not that big a deal.
 
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"Glick" - love it! I'd heard "Glick, Glack, Glock" before, but ya gotta be careful not to start a flame war with such a crack.

OK, got it. I saw the movement but couldn't believe that such an action would #### a semi-auto pistol. I own three 1911's and shooting a 'major' load sure isn't going to let me rack them in such a manner.
There's an element to gamesmanship that crosses a line from the ridiculous to the sublime. Practical, very practical ..... Cooper was right.
 
you mean auto dropping the slide when you put a mag in? pretty much all guns do that
 
Dude #2 did damn near the same thing, I wouldn't say that's how it supposed to look when he almost tossed it too. If you watch both of them they looked away from the gun before their hand even got near it and both fumbled it because of it. Keep your eye on the gun until you have your hand on it.
 
So this ended up being one of the starts at last weekends qualifier. As much as I wanted to try method 1 there, I played it safe and went with method 2.

The more I thought about it, the more I realized that in the event of a mess up, recovery was way harder this way. That and the chances of a mess up were alot greater.
 
Maverik187 said:
So this ended up being one of the starts at last weekends qualifier. As much as I wanted to try method 1 there, I played it safe and went with method 2.

The more I thought about it, the more I realized that in the event of a mess up, recovery was way harder this way. That and the chances of a mess up were alot greater.
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and if you had a good plan your were moving while doing the loading of the gun ;)
 
dude number 2 looks like he had a finger, not the trigger finger, on the trigger before he got his grip sorted.
 
Where was the non skid (carpet) surface?
Also the way shooter #2 racks his gun; one slip & he'll sweep or if it detonates its a trip to the emergency room (seen it happen).
Plus, I've seen quicker DQ's, there weren't even beeps...
 
Yeah, I hated to do it but I DQ'd someone right after they paid the match fee. Dry firing at the table where everyone's bags and ammo were, not at the safety table.
 
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