**OFFICAL*** The Type 97NSR is Non restricted!!!

[iamzill]

Apples to oranges. Many threads discuss why. The T97 is a semi auto and follows the rules for those. The mares leg is a manual action.

The guy you claim is talking out his ass is right. You are not.

Criminal Code of Canada
2001, c. 41, s. 4.
PART III

“prohibited firearm”

« arme à feu prohibée »

“prohibited firearm” means

(b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,

(i) is less than 660 mm in length, or

(ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,

(c) an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or

(d) any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm;

Has the T97NSR been sawed? No.
Has the T97NSR been cut? No.
Has there been "any other alteration" on the T97NSR? No.

Thus clause (b) ii doesn't apply to the T97NSR.

Criminal Code of Canada
2001, c. 41, s. 4.
PART III

“restricted firearm”

« arme à feu à autorisation restreinte »

“restricted firearm” means

(a) a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm,

(b) a firearm that

(i) is not a prohibited firearm,

(ii) has a barrel less than 470 mm in length, and

(iii) is capable of discharging centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner,

(c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or

(d) a firearm of any other kind that is prescribed to be a restricted firearm;

Does the T97NSR fold? No.
Does the T97NSR telescope? No.

Thus clause (c) doesn't apply to the T97NSR.

Please mail in your PAL/RPAL (if you have one...?) back to the RCMP until you learn all the rules and laws. There are places just 3-4 clicks away that can tell you the EXACT "rules and qualifications" for guns and their classifications.

Given the above, seems like you're the one who needs to mail in your license (if you have one...?).

 

[jeffcarr88]

Cute

We all are laughing at someone and its not me!!!

Please send me some pictures of your "non-restricted" firearms (NOT airsoft!!!) that are shorter then 26.5"...I know someone who'd be VERY interested in also seeing them .

What size jumper are you? You okay with the colour orange right?

 

[fenceline]

Holy crap dude. Quoting what makes a gun prohib or restricted = fail.

Here is what makes a firearm a restricted...

According to the Criminal Code, a restricted firearm is:
1•a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm;
2•a semi-automatic, centre-fire rifle or shotgun with a barrel length less than 470 mm (18.5 inches) that is not prohibited;
3•a rifle or shotgun that can fire when its overall length is reduced by folding, telescoping or some other means to less than 660 mm (26 inches);
4•any firearm prescribed as restricted (including some long guns).

The Type 97 is a rifle. Therefore...

According to point 2, it requires a barrel length of 18.5 inches/470mm.
According to point 3, an overall length of 26inches/660mm.

No the type 97 doesn't fold, no it does not have a barrel cut down below 18 inches, has not been cut, sawed, altered etc etc as you posted.

But it is a rifle, and is center fired. So barrel rule, and overall length rule apply.

 

[canucklehead]

It's 26" you goofs - not 26.5".

660mm is 25.98 inches. Thus, 26". Where are you guys getting 26.5" from???

 

[Deckard]

Who gives a shyte? Non-restricted. Leave it at that.

 

[canucklehead]

Holy crap dude. Quoting what makes a gun prohib or restricted = fail.

Here is what makes a firearm a restricted...

According to the Criminal Code, a restricted firearm is:
•a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm;
•a semi-automatic, centre-fire rifle or shotgun with a barrel length less than 470 mm (18.5 inches) that is not prohibited;
•a rifle or shotgun that can fire when its overall length is reduced by folding, telescoping or some other means to less than 660 mm (26 inches);
•any firearm prescribed as restricted (including some long guns).

Ask the RCMP why then they consider an 8.5" 870 with pistol grip to be considered a RESTRICTED firearm. Yes it was argued that putting a pistol grip on it (or shipping from the manufacturer with it) isn't 'folding, telescoping, or some other means' - yet they deemed it restricted.

 

[iamzill]

Holy crap dude. Quoting what makes a gun prohib or restricted = fail.

Here is what makes a firearm a restricted...

According to the Criminal Code, a restricted firearm is:
•a handgun that is not a prohibited firearm;
•a semi-automatic, centre-fire rifle or shotgun with a barrel length less than 470 mm (18.5 inches) that is not prohibited;
•a rifle or shotgun that can fire when its overall length is reduced by folding, telescoping or some other means to less than 660 mm (26 inches);
•any firearm prescribed as restricted (including some long guns).

Three simple questions:

Does the T97NSR fold?
Does the T97NSR telescope?
Can its length be reduced by some other means?

 

[jeffcarr88]

the .5 is commonly done to give you a "buffer" safe zone to make SURE your good. I for one, do not want to have something that is perfectly 25.98" and have an officer disagree with me on its length and how to measure it probably (again something most people fail at) and sit in jail and waste my time and money trying to prove it is EXACT and not a mm or two short.

But you are correct.

 

[fenceline]

Three simple questions:

Does the T97NSR fold?
Does the T97NSR telescope?
Can its length be reduced by some other means?

The comments on whether or not it folds relates to how the gun operates at its shortest length. As the Type 97 doesn't fold, telescope or by some other means shorten, then it is, in its position as short as it gets, and thus in that original configuration must be over 26 inches overall in length.

 

[jeffcarr88]

Three simple questions:

Does the T97NSR fold?
Does the T97NSR telescope?
Can its length be reduced by some other means?

What are these...?

You said there is NO length requirements on a NR gun... I can quote you if you like? (I may have up top already)

We are all waiting on the proof

 

[jeffcarr88]

Ask the RCMP why then they consider an 8.5" 870 with pistol grip to be considered a RESTRICTED firearm. Yes it was argued that putting a pistol grip on it (or shipping from the manufacturer with it) isn't 'folding, telescoping, or some other means' - yet they deemed it restricted.

Whats its overall length with a pistol grip installed? If its under 26" you have your answer...

 

[burnaby]

^ Why is the barrel not given the .5 to 19"???

Commonly dumb thing to quote two numbers differently. Stop inventing numbers, don't ASSume.

the .5 is commonly done to give you a "buffer" safe zone to make SURE your good. I for one, do not want to have something that is perfectly 25.98" and have an officer disagree with me on its length and how to measure it probably (again something most people fail at) and sit in jail and waste my time and money trying to prove it is EXACT and not a mm or two short.

But you are correct.

 

[jeffcarr88]

.5" is easy enough to measure and still keep it safe...you could do 19" but you could also round it up to an even 24" or 50"...it has to stop somewhere if your goal is still a somewhat "compact" gun.

I (and others) are fine with an extra .5" as a buffer...no more, no less.

 

[Outcast]

I just hope they bring enough in to fill the demand.

 

[Mikeyman]

Glad when ANY new firearm is available to us but damn! I throw up in my mouth just a little bit whenever I look at it!

 

[fenceline]

Glad when ANY new firearm is available to us but damn! I throw up in my mouth just a little bit whenever I look at it!

Just get behind it, look over the top and bang away. Works with most anything.

 

[TRaTSeRiF]

I just hope they bring enough in to fill the demand.

I doubt it lol..

1) They got burned once so I'd guess the approach will be more cautious this time around (at least until enough of them are available for sale to this fella from Canmore, named Mike and it's too late to reclassify)
2) It's a great gun on paper (and we have no reason to believe it'll be anything else), available for 1/3 the price of its competition (nr black rifles, bullpup or not)
3) Who knows if the retailers' orders are enough to satisfy the immediate demand. We'll know when it comes.

The preorders filled up in no time and I believe the frenzy will be even worse for the 2nd batch after the range reports come out, but I expect for the 2nd batch of orders to bring the demand down to normal, CQ-A levels.

 

[Maximum]

So why is Canada Ammo still listing for $849 while Frontier is $1000? Whats it gonna actually be? And who else is taking pre-orders?

 

[TRaTSeRiF]

So why is Canada Ammo still listing for $849 while Frontier is $1000? Whats it gonna actually be? And who else is taking pre-orders?

Everybody else is listing it for $1000. AFAIK (could be wrong) only North Sylva is importing a type 97 variant. Not sure what CanAm's play on this is - whether they're making a statement, everybody else is charging insane markups or what.. Your best bet would be to ask Chris, but he might be tight-lipped until the boat lands. In general, the distributor won't be able to tell you why one retailer is charging more than other retailers

 

[CanadianReich]

We need a wood stock version, with a maple leaf engraved in it, like the CZ858 Canadian version.

The anti's would never ban that!