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These guys get it. I never use a safety or teach people to use it. You become complacent using them.

I hope you dont teach many people.

WHY DOES THE SAFETY POSITION MATTER?!

WHY DO YOU EVEN NEED A SAFETY? This is not a pistol your carrying "cocked and locked" due to a light trigger.

Proper muzzle and trigger control trumps all and is 100% safe.... anyone who is DUMB enough to rely on a mechanical safety should never be allowed to touch a gun, let alone own them!!!

You can walk around with the gun loaded just fine...follow the 2 golden rules and all is well. Its also MUCH faster then flipping off a safety ...if you even remember to flip it off before your first shot (many do not). If that is too scary for you then carry the gun with a loaded magazine and an empty chamber and just quickly rack in a round in when your ready to take aim.

I remove many safeties off my rifles as I find them useless and even more so provide a FALSE sense of "safety". They CAN be dangerous...how many people have be shot because "I thought the safety was on"?

Safeties and nothing more then the work of lawyers helping gun manufacturers cover this asses...just the like warning labels scribed into the gun...the days of guns that can fire when dropped if cocked and/or loaded is pretty much long over.

None of you are assassins who cannot make any noise racking the gun or going into combat with a group that requires use of a external safety so why does it matter anyways?

All you guys not advocating use of a safety are amateurs. In a perfect world sure you can get away with it, but some of us live in the real world where murphy is a #####.
 
Please inform me how being safe and smart with my firearms handling...has ANYTHING to do with being a poser? IF YOU RELY ON A MECHINAL SAFETY OVER PROPER HANDLING AND COMMON SENSE...IT WILL FAIL YOU ONE DAY!!!

THE ONLY SAFETY IS THE ONE BETWEEN YOUR EARS...sadly most do not have this.

Not using a mechanical safety and alleging that this enhances safety is completely ludicrous; you are being rightly mocked because of this. No professional would "never use a safety" and if you did in fact use firearms in the course of your employment and intentionally neglected to use the mechanical safety I rather suspect that you would have been facing disciplinary action or perhaps employment termination if you were caught.

Contrary to what you may have been led to believe by Hollywood (you realize that Eric Bana is an actor and not actually a Navy Seal right?) armed professionals are trained and expected to use the safeties on their weapons. There are very good reasons for this. For example not using your safety on a range may be relatively consequence free, however having a readied weapon off safe while moving through dense bush, throwing yourself to the ground, running etc. is a negligent discharge waiting to happen. I suggest you re-evaluate your thinking on this.

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jeffcarr88: I just looked at your profile and see that you state "army" as your occupation. As an army officer myself and also as qualified military RSO, I can tell you that if you were a soldier under my command you would be kicked off my range and likely charged if you intentionally disregarded the safety on your weapon. If you are in fact in the military I recommend that you grow up and follow your training.
 
I am not talking about combat/military use...I am talking about average civvie use of the gun...

Don't point it at others, finger off the trigger...if you feel uneasy carrying the gun loaded then do not do so til it is ready to be used.

Service/Combat is a different role entirely...with RULES you HAVE to follow. But as we know...just because there are rules doesn't mean they are correct.
 
I hope you dont teach many people.



All you guys not advocating use of a safety are amateurs. In a perfect world sure you can get away with it, but some of us live in the real world where murphy is a #####.

If you cannot control your firearm and are unable to keep it pointed in a safe direction, finger off the trigger then hope is lost for you...sell your guns...I have been doing this from age 6. Are you okay with poor muzzle and trigger control and guns being pointed at you because "the safety is on".

Amateurs are the ones you rely on pieces of sheet metal to protect them from dumb people...
 
Anyone have any lefty experience on these? I know it's been said it's 'okay for LH', but I'd like to hear some real feedback.

From the looks of the ejection port, I'd be mighty scared to shoot it with my traditional 'nose to CH' stance as a lefty!
 
I am not talking about combat/military use...I am talking about average civvie use of the gun...

Don't point it at others, finger off the trigger...if you feel uneasy carrying the gun loaded then do not do so til it is ready to be used.

Service/Combat is a different role entirely...with RULES you HAVE to follow. But as we know...just because there are rules doesn't mean they are correct.


I used firearms for work, 2 different jobs in the past and either I chose not to use the safety or the gun did not have one.

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I feel like cutting down the carry handle when i get mine and replace with a long picatiny rail or something lol. The carry handle is too ugly
 
Anyone have any lefty experience on these? I know it's been said it's 'okay for LH', but I'd like to hear some real feedback.

From the looks of the ejection port, I'd be mighty scared to shoot it with my traditional 'nose to CH' stance as a lefty!

Couple of youtube videos, search norinco T97.

The HD ones show ejection of case so left hand shooters might be ok.

Dont know if we are allowed to post videos on NS threads but try h t t p s://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDUJHVUPUfI&NR=1&feature=endscreen
 
Is there potentially an A1 variant that has a flat top with a left side charging handle coming down the pipeline? I would prefer low mounted optical site ( of my choice) on a picatinny rail. Im sure many would agree and they would sell a many of them.
 
Whats wrong with you guys!

I think the carry handle looks so mean and communist, that it should piss of any FUDDs out there ;)
 
Basically saying...I CHOSE to not follow said rules and would deal/accept any fallout that if would have caused me if it came to that. I knew I was safe and that is all that mattered to me...doesn't mean I didn't flip my safety on as someone walked by tho :p

So we are supposed to believe that you carried around a weapon, turned the safety on when someone walked by, then turned the safety off again after they passed you so that you could go back to "not using a safety". For real?

The bottom line is that any reasonable person understands that muzzle control is of primary importance. No one is debating that fact. However, where there is a mechanical safety available, only a fool would not take advantage of it.

By the way, there are several videos on youtube of actual former Special Operations Operators and you will note that they do in fact use the safeties on their weapons, and do so in a very smooth, fluid, and trained fashion.


You opened your mouth, bulls**t came out, and you got called on it. Let it go.
 
If Chris Costa does it...it MUST be right!!!

I, and others...do not use safeties and even remove them...

Get over it, I do not, will not agree on them.

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If we were doing a weapons check...I would flick it on to avoid getting in ####...then off...its one less step to remember/do when your ready to fire. No matter how "fluid" a ninja told it can be to flip it off...adding more steps is NEVER safer or easier. Funny how people know others, and what they did/do without ever meeting them :).
 
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