Advice needed... Buying a handgun real soon

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So I've had my RPAL for over a year now. Financials are now in order, finally found a half decent range that doesn't consider 20 yards "long range" and that's not that far out from Toronto. Membership is taken care of, now I just need to go through their proprietary safety courses and I'll be on my way.

So I need a gun. I want something cheap but not low quality cheap like Norinco. Something I wouldn't mind actually keeping for the next bit and be proud of. I was thinking a Glock 17 but most places charge up to $800 for the latest version and I really want to get in touch with a guns mechanics as this will be my first gun. A futuristic harmerless design just doesn't seem right.

So I got my sights set on a Ruger GP100. The .357 Magnum 4.2" Blued edition. I feel that a revolver is the best type of gun to start with.

I like 4" barrels, seems short enough yet not excessively long. A staple barrel size for a revolver with a tad bit extra to make it CAD compliant. It's a .357 so unless I'm wrong I can load .38's into it when I first start and when I eventually get good enough at things like recoil control, I can move up to .357s. I think .38s are also quite affordable too, next to 9mm and .22LRs.



Problem is? Where can I find this gun, everywhere I look... SOLD OUT. Since this is going to be my first restricted gun I want the transaction to be a smooth as possible, so I'm ruling out member trades. I'd also like to know, how can I pay for this. Do online gun stores here accept VISA or do I need to do email money transfers or some other unorthodox form of payment.
 
The restricted I want, it was sold out, so I put a deposit on it before I even put my RPAL application in the mail. This was early March. Forward to end of April, still no license, and the gun isn't in yet either.

If you are in a hurry to get something that is consistently sold out everywhere, best bet is to check with places to see if they have any on order, or get them to order for you. Lead time on orders can be months to over a year depending on the firearm from what I've read. Otherwise, the EE might be your best bet.
 
You should be able to use Visa with most online shops. Have you checked your local stores? Go in and fondle all the pistols and revolvers that catch your eye.

As far as the Glock, it's a solid gun. You wouldn't think twice about using a hammerless shotgun would you?
 
If you're set on a wheelgun, fine, but despite all the visible moving parts semi-autos are much more simple designs. Especially for actually wrenching on. Take a double action revolver apart and you'll see what I mean: It's like a wris####ch in there! I've done a fair bit of work on various semi auto pistols, but I'm not brave enough to go beyond some very basic spring swapping and contact surface polishing with any of my revolvers.

The Glock is, IMO, and excellent firearm for learning about guns. At least, for learning about striker-fired handguns (1911 is my choice for hammer-fired). The design is pure simple genius, and I say this even though am really not a Glock fanboy. I've seen a couple of Gen3 and Gen4 17s for reasonable prices on the EE lately. You can also find the M&P for a bit cheaper than the Glock, It's a fine pistol, but I think the design is not quite as elegant. I have owned both, and I now only have an M&P because I prefer how it feels.

Feel matters. Like WRH said, go fondle as many as you can before deciding what to buy. Some pistols you just won't want to put down.

If you want a wheelgun, that's reason enough to get one. Never seen a Ruger GP in person, or in stock anywhere (I haven't looked that hard though). Sporteque has a good selection of Smith revolvers in stock right now.

Also, watch places like Epps, as they sometimes have interesting used pieces that appear in their inventory.
 
If you have your heart set on ruger, you will need patience, they are over a million guns behind on orders. Watch the ee and/or find a dealer and throw down a deposit.
 
Ruger GP-100 is great choice for a first revolver.

If you enjoy hitting what you are aiming for, 6 in barrel is better choice than 4.2 in, especially if your firearms experience is limited.


Cheers,
Dan
 
So I've had my RPAL for over a year now. Financials are now in order, finally found a half decent range that doesn't consider 20 yards "long range" and that's not that far out from Toronto. Membership is taken care of, now I just need to go through their proprietary safety courses and I'll be on my way.

So I need a gun. I want something cheap but not low quality cheap like Norinco. Something I wouldn't mind actually keeping for the next bit and be proud of. I was thinking a Glock 17 but most places charge up to $800 for the latest version and I really want to get in touch with a guns mechanics as this will be my first gun. A futuristic harmerless design just doesn't seem right.

So I got my sights set on a Ruger GP100. The .357 Magnum 4.2" Blued edition. I feel that a revolver is the best type of gun to start with.

A few pieces of advice, as not long ago I was in the same position as you.

If you have any any interest in tinkering with the gun's internals, the double-action revolver is about as complex as guns come. Excepting of the arcane labyrinth of certain obscure gun makers, you will find the external simplicity of the DA revolver does not reflect it's interior. As far as quality modern-production handguns go, the Glock is about as simple as it comes with very few parts overall (something like less than 40 components for the entire gun, including the magazine's parts?). If you want to delve into the guts of your gun, I think the Glock is actually probably the best option, unless you have some interest in single-action revolvers.

The Glock 17 is a great gun. They're commonly available both new and used for reasonable prices, they have a huge user base so aftermarket support is everywhere, gunsmiths are familiar with them if something goes wrong (unlikely) or you want modification, and it's extremely robust. 9mm is a good, cheap centrefire round to shoot. If you ever catch the bug to enjoy action shooting, the G17 is pretty much a cornerstone of all games and you won't have to worry about competition categories or legality of your gun. Magazines are everywhere and cheap. Really, it's just a great gun.

I don't say this to dissuade you from picking up a GP-100. Revolvers are my favourite guns, to the point that I've purged all my semi-automatics except for a CZ-75. Using the revolver as my primary handgun also has been good for other reasons: they teach you real trigger discipline if you ever want to learn to hit targets, they are actually fun in dry-fire practice (if you ever want to really learn to shoot and aren't rich, DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THIS!), and the ability to load the .38 and .357 both is a perk. I think overcoming the double action trigger has made me a better shooter with every gun I pick up.

Also, a note on prices. Spending $800 on a gun can seem like a lot of money, mostly because it is. But consider that the gun you are buying has potential to be a lifetime investment. Your interest in shooting or physical ability to shoot will probably die off long before most guns of modern manufacture stop working. Also, how much are you going to shoot? I consider myself a moderate volume shooter, and I VERY quickly shot an amount of ammunition worth more than the guns I use. What I'm trying to get around to is that looking at things in the long term, don't be afraid to save and then spend more to make sure you get a gun you really want. You're going to have it for a long time. $800 for a Glock 17 is $800 extremely well spent. Each individual gun could be considered a hobby unto itself if you take shooting it seriously enough.

I like 4" barrels, seems short enough yet not excessively long. A staple barrel size for a revolver with a tad bit extra to make it CAD compliant. It's a .357 so unless I'm wrong I can load .38's into it when I first start and when I eventually get good enough at things like recoil control, I can move up to .357s. I think .38s are also quite affordable too, next to 9mm and .22LRs.

For barrel length, I like the shorter ones as well, but the 6" barrels are definitely easier to shoot. It's a judgment call. I wouldn't turn my nose up at a 6" GP-100. Handle it and see if you like the way it balances out in your hand.

Owning a revolver also motivated me to get into handloading, since even .38 is considerably more expensive than 9mm. Once I started handloading and discovered the joy of powderpuff wadcutters and supercharged .357 fireball rounds, I lost any interest in shooting factory ammunition out of my wheelguns. It's a whole hobby unto itself and it's time consuming. There's startup costs, but it's worth it both monetarily and for the experience.

Problem is? Where can I find this gun, everywhere I look... SOLD OUT. Since this is going to be my first restricted gun I want the transaction to be a smooth as possible, so I'm ruling out member trades. I'd also like to know, how can I pay for this. Do online gun stores here accept VISA or do I need to do email money transfers or some other unorthodox form of payment.

Welcome to buying guns in Canada. You'll be looking for some time if you have your mind set on less-popular guns, or guns are popular enough to sell out. It can be frustrating, but it can also lead to learning experiences. I was literally hoping for the exact same gun as you--GP-100, blued, 4.2" barrel--when I got my RPAL. Unable to find it for so long, I "compromised" on a S&W 686. That gun is now my best inanimate friend, and I wouldn't trade it for two GP-100s. Not to say it's a massively superior product but having handled both a bit now, I can safely say I prefer pretty much everything about my 686.

Consider the shortage of GP-100s an opportunity to shop around. You might pick up something that just clicks as being proper in your hand and the GP-100 can happen another day. A good example of this was a friend of mine, upon getting his RPAL, was absolutely set on getting an Inox Beretta 92fs. But in the shop, after handling it and picking up a Smith and Wesson M&P 9, he swerved to buy the M&P. He'd never even considered an M&P before that day. I strongly recommend considering private sales since very cool revolvers are put up for sale at gun shops and the Equipment Exchange here all the time. Some of these used pieces also have a lot more character than modern, recent-manufacture ones.

Good luck with the search!
 
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I'm not against autos at all. I'd rather have my first handgun a good quality 1911 but that's not going to happen at my price point. Anyhow for a first gun I'd at least like something all metal. I feel like if I get bit by the polymer bug from the get go I might too jump on the bandwagon that metal guns are "too heavy". Something that limits me to six shots and forces me to shoot six good shots sounds like a better idea, I think if I had 10 at my disposal I might just end up dicking around doing dumb crap instead of focusing on improving aim.


So I take it the GP100s sell well in Canada?

What's the price point of .38s? Like cost in cents per shot vs other cheap rounds like 9mm and 22LR?


The range I signed up for is outside of Cambridge, ON to whoever was asking.
 
I like "Murican" designs. :p

Been doing more shopping lately. I don't know if it's a Canadian thing, but is it normal for literally everything to be out of stock, including ammo. Literally every single website I go to has all these fancy pictures, finally when I think I found the right gun, the ammo is out of stock. The right ammo, not a gun of my liking going along with it. I know there is a bit of a shortage due to the Obama scare but I feel like it shouldn't be that hard.
 
How about a CZ shadow, combat, 75b, all steel.

I had my heart set on a G17. I go into the range and borrow that, an M&P, and an XD. The range guy also gives me a Shadow, even though I didn't ask for it. I shot 10 on each of them, then went back and got another 50 and shot them all on the Shadow, in beautiful little groups. Then I packed up the guns and gave them back, and moved heaven and earth to get a Shadow.

My first gun, my favorite gun, and my desert island gun. And everyone that I let use it doesn't want to go back to their own guns.
 
Canadian dealers are competing for supply with American dealers. The Americans are soaking up pretty much all their manufacturers can make, faster than it can be made, often at premium prices. And the American dealers are closer to the sources while exporting to Canada requires more time and paperwork.

I prefer revolvers myself but Norinco's 1911s are well within your budget and although the surface finish isn't as nice as expensive brands, they are known to work very well. Put a deposit down when you order your Ruger GP100, you'll have time to save the rest of the money while you spend from the remainder of your ready cash to get an all-steel, seven shot Norinco 1911. When the revolver comes, enjoy it, and if you don't love the Norinco enough to send it off to a gunsmith for some upgrading, it'll sell easily enough and you'll have "rented" it for about 25-35% of the purchase price.
 
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Something that limits me to six shots and forces me to shoot six good shots sounds like a better idea, I think if I had 10 at my disposal I might just end up dicking around doing dumb crap instead of focusing on improving aim.

I'd hope your attention span doesn't end at six shots! I know sometimes I've shot part-way through a magazine and see the holes appearing nowhere near the centre, so I just blast the rest out in frustration, but that can happen after sending a couple of flyers out of your revolver, as well. If you want to improve you will concentrate and only squeeze the trigger when you see the sight picture you need.

You could always find a club to join that still enforces the old-fashioned 5-shot Bullseye rule across the board, then you won't even be allowed to fill your revolver cylinder.

So I take it the GP100s sell well in Canada?

Yes they do, but there's also the problem of Ruger's huge production back-log, which began even before the latest panic. Put your name down on one, and when it comes in it'll be an un-expected surprise. Don't love it (can't see why you wouldn't), it'll sell immediately on the EE.

What's the price point of .38s? Like cost in cents per shot vs other cheap rounds like 9mm and 22LR?

There's a couple of site sponsors at the top of the page that say ‘Ammo’ right there, and several more selling re-loads and components; you might do well to check them any time you're considering a gun in a new calibre, before you commit yourself to hunting down .500S&W and paying four bucks a bang for it!

Factory regular .38Spl is about 50% more than 9x19, depending on what exactly you're comparing. 9mm is so popular that non-specialized factory rounds at about 26¢* a shot are almost as cheap as re-loads at 22¢. Factory .38 comes in around 40¢ but re-loads are about as cheap as 9mm ones. The Magnum .357 option won't be as cheap, but still affordable. If you load them yourself it gets cheaper, and if you cast your own bullets even more so. .22LR from the bulk box at 5¢ per round is not a fair comparison to anything.

* Price approximations don't account for tax and shipping.
 
I'm not against autos at all. I'd rather have my first handgun a good quality 1911 but that's not going to happen at my price point. Anyhow for a first gun I'd at least like something all metal. I feel like if I get bit by the polymer bug from the get go I might too jump on the bandwagon that metal guns are "too heavy". Something that limits me to six shots and forces me to shoot six good shots sounds like a better idea, I think if I had 10 at my disposal I might just end up dicking around doing dumb crap instead of focusing on improving aim.

I wouldn't worry about any of these things. Polymer and steel guns aren't mutually exclusive. If you like guns, you will like both for different reasons. Also, the cost of ammunition will deter too much 'dicking around', trust me on that! Regardless of the number of rounds you load into a magazine, you will learn to focus on using it for your intended purpose pretty quickly once you start shelling out for boxes of ammo.

I would recommend you go to Target Sports Canada and try some guns. It's not cheap, but it gives you experience and something better to base your purchase on than speculation. I personally think it's worth it to go, spend a hundred bucks to test drive some options, and make a well-informed decision on which gun you want. You can also take a non-shooting friend and have an awesome time.

So I take it the GP100s sell well in Canada?

Most handguns sell very well, but since it seems there's less revolvers out there, they go quickly. The GP-100 also seems particularly sought after because there has been a shortage, so there's a backlog of people wanting to get one. Combine that with the lower price point than S&Ws and you have a perfect storm for a shortage.

What's the price point of .38s? Like cost in cents per shot vs other cheap rounds like 9mm and 22LR?

The cheapest I've ever paid for factory .38s was 36 cents/shot, and the cheapest for 9mm was 26 cents/shot. .22 LR is usually about .3 cents/shot. .357 magnums are about .52 cents/shot. None of that includes taxes.
 
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