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They "considered" moving out of CT after CT signed in all of their new, oppressive gun laws; but now they're going to stay and make a new "CT complaint" AR design.

I'm not buying anything from companies based in states that pass new guns laws. Way too many other good, decent companies out there that refuse to comply with restrictive state laws where they aren't even headquartered or manufacture.

http://foxct.com/2013/04/30/stag-arms-to-design-connecticut-legal-ar-15-rifle/
 
Stag Arms employs ~200 people, what are you going to tell them?
How much would it cost to move production, to another state?
Will the company survive the move?

Take your ball and go home.
 
Hokus Grey said:
That's not what Stag said today on their FB page.
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Here's their blurb :
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Update about Stag Arms moving out of state:

Stag Arms remains committed to our customers and all law abiding gun owners. We have been at work designing and creating new models of rifles that are compliant with the laws recently passed here in Connecticut as well as continuing our campaign to have these unjust restrictions repealed.

We are still evaluating our options in regards to moving out of state. Last week at the NRA conference and show in Houston our owner had a meeting with the governor of Texas about moving. Since we manufacture 80% of our rifle parts in house and sell to other companies we have numerous variables to consider compared to companies that purchase all their parts from various suppliers and simply assemble their rifles. A few things we have to take into account are moving large precision machinery, obtaining routine maintenance for the machines, and securing a proper power grid structure to support our operation.
 
Personally I think these manufacturers should stay in these "ban" states and pour in as much money as possible to defeat the Democrats.

Look at the big picture. A pro- gun state is pro-gun anyways. Moving to a pro-gun state is NOT going elect more pro gun representatives to neither the house nor the senate.

That's why these manufacturers need to stay in these "ban states" and fight on, to peel the as many seats off the Democrats as possible in the next election. They need to pour more money into the local campaigns and support the local pro-firearms candidates.

This is the strategy to elect more pro-gun representatives to the house. Yes, the pro-gunners may not be able to control the state itself, but the pro-gunners need the seats from these states to contribute to the House at the federal level, even if they cannot take over within their own states.
 
greentips said:
Personally I think these manufacturers should stay in these "ban" states and pour in as much money as possible to defeat the Democrats.

Look at the big picture. A pro- gun state is pro-gun anyways. Moving to a pro-gun state is NOT going elect more pro gun representatives to neither the house nor the senate.

That's why these manufacturers need to stay in these "ban states" and fight on, to peel the as many seats off the Democrats as possible in the next election. They need to pour more money into the local campaigns and support the local pro-firearms candidates.

This is the strategy to elect more pro-gun representatives to the house. Yes, the pro-gunners may not be able to control the state itself, but the pro-gunners need the seats from these states to contribute to the House at the federal level, even if they cannot take over within their own states.
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I disagree. This just shows other states that manufacturers can and will modify their products to fit stupid new laws. If they were to move, Republicans in "ban states" can use the loss of jobs and loss of tax revenue as ammunition against the dems. How much can Stag afford to contribute to local campaigns in the coming years when they take a pr hit with American gun enthusiasts and their sales drop?
You don't have to look too hard to see what disdain Americans had for Bill Ruger or S&W when they took the path of least resistance. Americans won't soon forget who manned up (Magpul for example) and who acquiesced.
 
jimbo14 said:
Here's their blurb :
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Update about Stag Arms moving out of state:

Stag Arms remains committed to our customers and all law abiding gun owners. We have been at work designing and creating new models of rifles that are compliant with the laws recently passed here in Connecticut as well as continuing our campaign to have these unjust restrictions repealed.

We are still evaluating our options in regards to moving out of state. Last week at the NRA conference and show in Houston our owner had a meeting with the governor of Texas about moving. Since we manufacture 80% of our rifle parts in house and sell to other companies we have numerous variables to consider compared to companies that purchase all their parts from various suppliers and simply assemble their rifles. A few things we have to take into account are moving large precision machinery, obtaining routine maintenance for the machines, and securing a proper power grid structure to support our operation.
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Thanks man, I couldn't copy the text from my phone.
 
I think it's really selfish and ignorant of Stag to even consider the well being of their employees, their livelihood or their continued existence. Surely they should be willing to continue the fight alone until they are bankrupt, their employees are jobless, and STAG ceases to exist as a viable commercial concern. After all it is their own dam fault these new CT regulations came into efect. I also think it is highly appropriate that we punish them by spreading hate and dissention amongst our own ranks. It is a well known fact that ignorance and in-fighting will make us stronger in the long run.

Go Team!
 
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greentips said:
Personally I think these manufacturers should stay in these "ban" states and pour in as much money as possible to defeat the Democrats.

Look at the big picture. A pro- gun state is pro-gun anyways. Moving to a pro-gun state is NOT going elect more pro gun representatives to neither the house nor the senate.

That's why these manufacturers need to stay in these "ban states" and fight on, to peel the as many seats off the Democrats as possible in the next election. They need to pour more money into the local campaigns and support the local pro-firearms candidates.

This is the strategy to elect more pro-gun representatives to the house. Yes, the pro-gunners may not be able to control the state itself, but the pro-gunners need the seats from these states to contribute to the House at the federal level, even if they cannot take over within their own states.
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Colorado used to be a very pro-gun state, and look at where it is.

Same with California. Californian gun laws haven't always been horrible. 50 years ago, California was actually a "free" state.
 
fireball said:
^^Haha^^ well said jethunter.

My sons AR is a lefty Stag and I look forward to buying him another.
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And I look forward to spending my tourist dollars anywhere but British Columbia if the NDP win (or even if they don't win, frankly; I'm getting a little tired of B.C.'s entitlement and "holier-than-thou" attitude as of late.)

Vote with your feet and your money. See how it works?
 
Mr. Spectacular said:
And I look forward to spending my tourist dollars anywhere but British Columbia if the NDP win (or even if they don't win, frankly; I'm getting a little tired of B.C.'s entitlement and "holier-than-thou" attitude as of late.)

Vote with your feet and your money. See how it works?
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I guess we should be thankful that most US firearms manufacturers don't have that same attitude, or they wouldn't sell anything to Canada at all seeing how oppressive and restrictive Canadian fireams law is compared to theirs. I guess they understand that punishing the the pro-firearms people in Canada would be exactly what the antis want to happen.
 
Mr. Spectacular said:
They "considered" moving out of CT after CT signed in all of their new, oppressive gun laws; but now they're going to stay and make a new "CT complaint" AR design.

I'm not buying anything from companies based in states that pass new guns laws. Way too many other good, decent companies out there that refuse to comply with restrictive state laws where they aren't even headquartered or manufacture.

http://foxct.com/2013/04/30/stag-arms-to-design-connecticut-legal-ar-15-rifle/
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I assume you are already boycotting all Canadian made firearms.

Edit to add, Stag Arms was one of the ONLY AR15 manufacturers who consistently delivered guns to Canada as the US State Dept changed the rules constantly between 2005 and this year. While the rest of the brands abandoned Canada, Stag Arms made compliant guns because they very specifically wanted and value that Canadians to have access to their AR15s. They did this even during the madness after the 2007 election.

But now they haven't laid off a factory full of the most experienced AR manufacturers in the USA due to their State passing a law basically which kicks them in the teeth as hard as possible, so Mr. Spectacular is on a Canadian boycott. Right on. That'll learn 'em.
 
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jethunter said:
I think it's really selfish and ignorant of Stag to even consider the well being of their employees, their livelihood or their continued existence. Surely they should be willing to continue the fight alone until they are bankrupt, their employees are jobless, and STAG ceases to exist as a viable commercial concern. After all it is their own dam fault these new CT regulations came into efect. I also think it is highly appropriate that we punish them by spreading hate and dissention amongst our own ranks. It is a well known fact that ignorance and in-fighting will make us stronger in the long run.

Go Team!
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Right on!
 
jimbo14 said:
Stag Arms remains committed to our customers and all law abiding gun owners. We have been at work designing and creating new models of rifles that are compliant with the laws recently passed here in Connecticut as well as continuing our campaign to have these unjust restrictions repealed.

We are still evaluating our options in regards to moving out of state. Last week at the NRA conference and show in Houston our owner had a meeting with the governor of Texas about moving. Since we manufacture 80% of our rifle parts in house and sell to other companies we have numerous variables to consider compared to companies that purchase all their parts from various suppliers and simply assemble their rifles. A few things we have to take into account are moving large precision machinery, obtaining routine maintenance for the machines, and securing a proper power grid structure to support our operation.
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Stag does have a valid point here. Moving an entire factory to another state can't be cheap or easy and would obviously result in some long interruptions in production. Even disregarding the difficulty and expense of moving an entire factory full of precision equipment, finding well-trained, experienced gunsmiths and machinists who know how to make your guns up to the standards your customers have become accustomed to isn't easy. Anytime you have major turnover in staff you also have to worry about how they'll mesh together as a team.

I applaud Magpul on their decision to move out of Colorado but their products are a lot simpler to make compared to rifles. The most complex products they make are probably their magazines. The rest of their stuff is mostly just molded plastic and simple metal pieces (even if it is very well made).
 
I don't knock them for making compliant guns.
I'd rather the freedom-loving citizens in CT have at least some type of AR than nothing at all.
When/if the public finally decided they've had enough of Hussein & Co., oh, I mean the "zombies" come, yes, then at least they can help restore some balance to the universe, and de-mangle their bastardized compliant AR's into what Stoner meant them to be like.
 
Mr. Spectacular said:
And I look forward to spending my tourist dollars anywhere but British Columbia if the NDP win (or even if they don't win, frankly; I'm getting a little tired of B.C.'s entitlement and "holier-than-thou" attitude as of late.)

Vote with your feet and your money. See how it works?
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We were entitled and holier than thou under the, Socreds, Liberals and NDP. Our self righteousness transcends ideology.
 
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