The Canadian AR-180B is NOT rifled to the end of the barrel. The fact that the flash hider/muzzle brake is integral to the barrel is what makes it long enough. Pinned, welded etc. does not count towards the overall barrel length. If the device is machined integral to the barrel (IE; one piece) it does count. There are a number of custom built barrels on ACR's and FS 2000's in Canada that have a flash hider machined integral to the barrel to keep the barrel length as non restricted even though the rifling is not that long.
Caution to those buying Armalite AR-180B's in the USA
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Or get a model made during the ban. It will be stamped AR-180B, but should have the integral muzzle break like the AR-180B-2. There's 3 of these listed on gunbroker right now, all of which would be non-restricted.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=340440693
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=340502124
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=341052529
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Gutinater based on your recent imports I'm guessing you would be the guy to ask this. Are firearms verified sometime during the export/import process or is it up to the end user to ensure firearms are registered if restricted? The reason I ask is maybe you could try importing one and see how it comes out in the wash? Provided of course you're not risking getting your peepee slapped. Even if they end up restricted you shouldn't have much trouble finding a buyer and clearing a profit. Or am I way off base here?
That would be incorrect - must be rifled as well. If it not rifled, then its not a barrel now is it
Not true... It has to be made into the barrel ie 1 piece welding something on the end of the barrel used to be accepted but it's not accepted anymore it has to be permaint to be considered part of the barrel it would be like just welding on a suppersor to the end and saying well the rifle was made that way so it's legal when it wouldn't be.
The thing is, the decision how to measure the barrel length on these has already been made years ago - the model with the integral muzzle break is already in Canada and is already classed as non-restricted. So fear of a restricted classification is already a non issue.
I thought you were just trolling the CFO/Mountie lurkers. That's cruel, playing with their hopes like that.
There's your answer in a nutshell. If you can get a prospective seller to double check the integral bbl length for you before buying and confirm "legal" length you should be good to go. It doesn't matter if it is marked AR-180B or AR-180B-2 just as long as the bbl is the correct length. Doesn't have to make sense, it is the law of the land and enforced by government agencies as such.
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Time to scrap the Firearms ACT clearly.
Travis Bickle
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The non restricted Ar180B's in this country (just like the one I own) have a barrel with a flash hider machined right onto the end from a solid piece of steel.
No accessory, component etc Just one solid piece which makes it non restricted.
There are a lot of them floating around the States that have the threaded muzzle for the threaded on flash suppressor, these would be restricted due to the 18.25" barrel if imported. Pretty ### but thems the breaks.
This is interesting though because a close friend just built a shotgun that was a hair over the legal non restricted limit because he welded on a muzzle break. He actually called the RCMP before he did this to verify that it was legal they told him that by welding a break onto the shotgun barrel it would be fine as a non restricted shotgun even though the barrel alone without the break would have made it restricted.
What a country! :S
No accessory, component etc Just one solid piece which makes it non restricted.
There are a lot of them floating around the States that have the threaded muzzle for the threaded on flash suppressor, these would be restricted due to the 18.25" barrel if imported. Pretty ### but thems the breaks.
This is interesting though because a close friend just built a shotgun that was a hair over the legal non restricted limit because he welded on a muzzle break. He actually called the RCMP before he did this to verify that it was legal they told him that by welding a break onto the shotgun barrel it would be fine as a non restricted shotgun even though the barrel alone without the break would have made it restricted.
What a country! :S
First are you talking overall length limitations or did he do this for a semi auto that required a longer barrel?
For simple overall length this is correct. Anything else get in writing (which will never happen).
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
tenringbound
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I've owned both. The rifle with the integral muzzle brake was non-restricted, the rifle with the screw-on flash suppressor was restricted.
There's one in the EE right now.
