Bolt action low price vs. high price rifles?

Mumbles Marble Mouth said:
They didn't want to jack the price up by $80 so they figured sacrificing the floor plate and follower would't be a big deal to help keep there current price going for awhile longer. To a lot of people, it is a big deal; yet a lot of people love glocks. If it is a big deal, then you can go and spend the extra $80 they would of jacked the price up and get the metal follower and plate if you want it that badly. At least CZ gives you that option.
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I haven't seen any of those rifles yet, although my 527 has a plastic floorplate on the mag. That doesn't bother me any... Tasteful use of plastic is not big deal, it's when there's a lot of it that the gun starts to feel like tupperware...
 
tylerjwitty said:
Buy used .
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This. I haven't purchased a new rifle in ages as I prefer the old world craftsmanship of older European rifles. Tradex, one of the CGN sponsors, has a raft of Brno ZG-47 rifles in 30-06. I have a ZG-47 in 8 x 64 and couldn't be happier. The rifle has great wood, is all steel, and is as accurate as a rifle can be. Drop a decent scope on it, and you're pretty well set. It will also retain its value for a long long time. Try that with a Remington, Savage, Stevens etc. Granted the price of one is about $1200.00 without a scope, but it really is a great value for the dollar.
 
Brutus said:
So have you seen this happen?
I own three Remington rifles (788s and a 700 Varmint) and I've yet to experience this legendary safety issue, even once!
You post reeks of internet rumour and untruthful statements. After all, all of those poor US Army and USMC snipers dragging all those dangerous M40A3 & M24 rifles hither and yon worldwide. They should have called you first off for advice. :rolleyes:
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Ya, the gun went off 3 feet from my head while my buddy was readjusting his jacket and had no finger near the trigger.... I was watching him when it went off... He had bought the rifle new as his had it's barrel bent in a vehicle crash, and had only shot it enough to sight it in, and told me he hadn't even taken it out of the stock yet... Scared off a small heard of deer we'd been stalking for 3 hours...
2 other friends independent of each other told me that they had that happen as well...
US snipers get a custom trigger and barrel...
 
amosfella said:
Ya, the gun went off 3 feet from my head while my buddy was readjusting his jacket and had no finger near the trigger.... I was watching him when it went off... He had bought the rifle new as his had it's barrel bent in a vehicle crash, and had only shot it enough to sight it in, and told me he hadn't even taken it out of the stock yet... Scared off a small heard of deer we'd been stalking for 3 hours...
2 other friends independent of each other told me that they had that happen as well...
US snipers get a custom trigger and barrel...
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You must have very unlucky friends. In my trips to Bull Meadow, Homestead and other shooting venues, as well as 20 years hunting in Ontario/Alberta/Saskatchewan with Remingtons, I've yet to experience this strange event.
 
Brutus said:
You must have very unlucky friends. In my trips to Bull Meadow, Homestead and other shooting venues, as well as 20 years hunting in Ontario/Alberta/Saskatchewan with Remingtons, I've yet to experience this strange event.
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They were the newer remingtons... 2009-2011. The guy at the store my friend bought it at said it was a known issue with those guns...
 
amosfella said:
Ya, the gun went off 3 feet from my head while my buddy was readjusting his jacket and had no finger near the trigger.... I was watching him when it went off... He had bought the rifle new as his had it's barrel bent in a vehicle crash, and had only shot it enough to sight it in, and told me he hadn't even taken it out of the stock yet... Scared off a small heard of deer we'd been stalking for 3 hours...
2 other friends independent of each other told me that they had that happen as well...
US snipers get a custom trigger and barrel...
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What year and model was this gun that shoots by its self...Seeing as you have personal experience of three seperate remington rifles doing this, there must be many more people on this forum that can confirm the same has happened to them. For safety reasons, it would be interesting to know the exact models in which this malfunction was experienced.
Have you contacted Remington Arms to notify them of this extremely dangerous fault in their design?
 
I'm sure some of the site sponsors can confirm which model remingtons are subject to this type of malfunction...any input is greatly appreciated!
 
hawk-i said:
What year and model was this gun that shoots by its self...Seeing as you have personal experience of three seperate remington rifles doing this, there must be many more people on this forum that can confirm the same has happened to them. For safety reasons, it would be interesting to know the exact models in which this malfunction was experienced.
Have you contacted Remington Arms to notify them of this extremely dangerous fault in their design?
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Can only confirm one. The others were told to me... Don't remember anything other than it was a 700 30-06. The other's just said they were remingtons... Wasn't my gun...
 
I can make my 700 fire on bolt closing and safety release if I remove the thread sealer and improperly adjust the trigger...maybe that is what happened in this case.
 
Cleftwynd said:
Am I the only one that thinks accuracy is just one part of what makes a decent rifle? It seems so many people, at least here on CGN, think only of accuracy in a rifle and couldn't care less about anything else. Personally, I like fit, handling, action smoothness and reliable feeding, balance, finish, looks, etc...
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You took the words right out of my mouth. There are many days in the field that -20 or colder will occur and I want a "reliable" gun in those temperatures. I will not gamble with a utilitarian firearm.
 
Can only confirm one. The others were told to me... Don't remember anything other than it was a 700 30-06. The other's just said they were remingtons... Wasn't my gun...
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I have owned over a dozen 700s, or rifles built on the 700 action, including the factory trigger. Friends and hunting partners own at least another dozen 700s. I have seen exactly one accidental discharge involving a 700, and I watched as the person for some reason pulled the trigger as he closed the bolt. He didn't realize that he had even done it.
 
T073 said:
Hi everyone, I'm looking to get my first rifle. I've already decided I want a bolt-action in either .308 or 30-06 (most likely .308) that I will use for target shooting (100 - 200m) and definitely get into hunting once I complete the hunter's ed course. The main question I have is what is the difference between the the lower priced rifles vs. the higher priced ones in the same caliber?

For example, the Remington 770 is around $300 while the Rem 700 sps is $500 and Rem 700 sps tactical stainless and Tikka T3 lite are both around $700-$800. I've been mainly looking at the Remington 700 and Tikka T3 Lite due to the very positive reviews on CGN. However, what are the benefits of a higher priced Remington 700 and Tikka T3 vs the lower priced Remingtons. Do they shoot much better straight from the box and do the different Rem 700 models really differ a lot in accuracy from one another?

Pretty much wondering what gun I should buy as my first and if going cheap will really hinder my performance when it comes to target shooting.

I feel like I covered everything but let me know if anything is missing that may help answer the question. Thanks in advance!
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All the rifles you are considering are not high priced IMO as they are all under a $1000 not to mention you are only comparing two brands which I would consider entry level in the hunting rifle world.

Compare them to Sauer, Styer, Blaser, Heym, etc and you will see a huge difference in every aspect of the firearm
 
track said:
You took the words right out of my mouth. There are many days in the field that -20 or colder will occur and I want a "reliable" gun in those temperatures. I will not gamble with a utilitarian firearm.
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I guess it depends on what you want the gun for. IF it's a 204 used for hunting varmints than accuracy is more important than reliabillity. If it for bear defence in the arctic...well thats a whole other story. Trying to tell someone what they should look for in a gun is presumptuous on your part. Buy what suits your pocket book and the situation.

George
 
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amosfella said:
Can only confirm one. The others were told to me... Don't remember anything other than it was a 700 30-06. The other's just said they were remingtons... Wasn't my gun...
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I've owned over 20 Remington 700s,both factory rifles and rifles built on the 700 action over the last 30 years.I have had 1 accidental discharge in that time and it was after a "gunsmith" adjusted the trigger pull.I spent most of my life in the gun business,and have owned and shot most brands of rifles from Sakos to custom Model 70s.I continue to use Remington 700s as platforms for custom builds because I trust their function and reliability.Properly cleaned and maintained and using the same safety practices you would use for ANY rifle I find them superior to most products on the market today.Remember 2 things,nobody EVER got shot by a rifle that wasn't pointed at them,and those that slag Remington the most are those that know the least about them.What they do know was "told" to them,or they read it on the Internet.Whatever the OP decides to buy I hope he gets both good use and enjoyment from it for many years. Mur
 
g-manz35 said:
I guess it depends on what you want the gun for. IF it's a 204 used for hunting varmints than accuracy is more important than reliabillity. If it for bear defence in the arctic...well thats a whole other story. Trying to tell someone what they should look for in a gun is narrow minded. Buy what suits your pocket book and the situation.

George
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So you're saying that if we advise someone to look for fit, balance, reliability, accuracy and function in a rifle is bad advice?
 
g-manz35 said:
I guess it depends on what you want the gun for. IF it's a 204 used for hunting varmints than accuracy is more important than reliabillity. If it for bear defence in the arctic...well thats a whole other story. Trying to tell someone what they should look for in a gun is narrow minded. Buy what suits your pocket book and the situation.

George
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The OP was seeking advice on a big game rifle to shoot and possibly hunt with. Advice was given not to purchase a utilitarian firearm, and that there is more to a firearm than just accuracy. Please remain on course to the subject matter and not make personal condecending remarks.
 
track said:
The OP was seeking advice on a big game rifle to shoot and possibly hunt with. Advice was given not to purchase a utilitarian firearm, and that there is more to a firearm than just accuracy. Please remain on course to the subject matter and not make personal condecending remarks.
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I guess you read the OP's post different than me. It does not say he is hunting big game. Maybe he will be sniping coyotes the odd day and he says he will be target shooting and HE seems to be focused on accuracy. I assume that is because he wants an accuate gun. I think that is why many CGNers are focused on accuracy because that's what they want. I can appreicate fit and finish, but I can also appriciate that my buddy bought a 700 SPS and toped it with great scope for under $900 and it shoots the lights out. It's pretty ugly, but it will get him shooting and one day hunting.

Using the term "Narrow mind" was rude. My apologies. How about if I use the word "Presumptuous"

George
 
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