I'll be darned...dyna bore coat

Just wanted to update this post quick. I have since used dyna bore coat in a 257wby, 300wsm, 6.5x55 and just last weekend a 338-378 wby. The 257 and 338-378 were both shooting barnes at 3500fps+ and after 30 rounds one patch at home made it perfectly clean.

I have also used it in my 1911 and ruger 44mag where I shoot cast boolits. I have noticed a reduction in leading (not that there was much to start with) and super easy to clean. Will coat the m&p9 when it gets here as well.

It's good stuff!
 
Although I use Militec-1 to treat the action and bore of my rifles, and clean with WO
and get nice results, I'm always into trying out a promising new product when it
comes to bore cleaning/preservation.

I shoot mostly cast boolits thru all of my rifles and use Wipe Out " No Lead "to clean the
bores, followed with an application of WO to preserve them. I use patches only and
never a brush and my rifles all perform well with their pet loads.

DBC appears to do a great job according to you folks that recommend it, so I'm orderin'
up some pronto.
Thanks for the heads up on this one kman300.
Check your PM box JS.;)
 
SHELL SHUCKER said:
Although I use Militec-1 to treat the action and bore of my rifles, and clean with WO
and get nice results, I'm always into trying out a promising new product when it
comes to bore cleaning/preservation.

I shoot mostly cast boolits thru all of my rifles and use Wipe Out " No Lead "to clean the
bores, followed with an application of WO to preserve them. I use patches only and
never a brush and my rifles all perform well with their pet loads.

DBC appears to do a great job according to you folks that recommend it, so I'm orderin'
up some pronto.
Thanks for the heads up on this one kman300.
Check your PM box JS.;)
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My brushes have been gathering cobwebs for several years now, and I've been on the same can of WO for at least 3 years. It's not for a lack of shooting, either! ;)

I clean my bores every few hundred rounds, and all it takes is a quick shot of WO, which I leave overnight, and then patch it out with 2-3 patches in the morning. Done and ready for another few hundred (300-800, depending on the barrel). On the really bad foulers I might only get 50-100 rounds between cleanings, and some extreme examples will only go 30, but the vast majority of my rifles go somewhere between 200 and 800 rounds before accuracy drops off.

There is a group of benchrest shooters that are reporting that they still get the accuracy they require after 2000 rounds from their match-grade barrels treated with DBC. That's simply incredible.
 
I was a sceptic as well when I first heard about it. Thing is, some very knowledgeable people were promoting it. Time to try some and look into why it worked.

It works with "Free Silicone Molecules."

These were first used about 30 years ago in special paints and car wax/polish.

Remember the ads where they applied the stuff and water wouldn't stay on or spot, dust just sloughed off and the polishing rag would slide right off an almost level surface when set on it???? Probably before a lot of people were interested in such things.

It was great stuff, until you pranged your ride. Then when you went to get it painted, the undercoat and paint would start peeling off about a week later. I learned that one the hard way. Had to replace the whole quarter panel on my 72 T Bird. Try finding one.

Anyway, free silicone molecules are incredible things. They always move around and never stop. They need to be used very carefully.

By the way, they were discovered during WWII but were nothing but trouble. Finally, a floor wax producer in Vancouver got his hands on some and started adding it to his products. He make industrial waxes for office, store and factory floors. Then he decided it was so good that he would make up special vehicle polishes and tried to market it with airlines etc. Again, all sorts of problems because the stuff is just so slippery.

From what I can tell, Dyna Bore Coat is the same thing. It certainly acts in a similar manner.

I've done 5 rifles so far and all have shown fantastic results. It doesn't make them more accurate but it definitely reduces the fouling. A LOT.

I have a first series Year of Freedom marked Mini 14 that was a bear of a fouler. Not anymore. Several hundred rounds through it since coating and now it behaves quite well. It isn't nearly the chore it was to clean anymore either.

I can shoot 3 times as many rounds in my match rifles and two hunting rifles, before accuracy even starts to stray.

Even then, super quick clean up time.

I haven't tried retreating a barrel yet but I will give the 22-250 another go. It isn't showing any signs of fouling sooner but I want to experiment what it will do. Maybe nothing, maybe it will turn into one of those dream rifles that just refuses to foul. I have a Tikka T3 that is one of those.

Out of the hundreds of firearms I've owned, only a very few have been non foulers. If the rifles shoot well on top of not fouling, they are dreams to own.
 
Jordan, you know I am a big fan of this product. I have had some amazing results with it and I know some other very long time members here that have experienced some of the same great results but have not yet posted in this thread. I have never been a big fan of "snake oils" but this product does what it claims to, I have witnessed it on multiple barrels.

I do have to remind you to keep the promotion of this product by yourself to PM or email as per the CGN rules.

Not trying to be a ####, just a friendly reminder.
 
bearhunter said:
I haven't tried retreating a barrel yet but I will give the 22-250 another go. It isn't showing any signs of fouling sooner but I want to experiment what it will do. Maybe nothing, maybe it will turn into one of those dream rifles that just refuses to foul.
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I am about to try the same thing just to see... I couldn't get a solid answer a few years back when I first tried DBC so I figure, why not try it just to see what happens with a retreat. I am thinking nothing but still worth a try.
 
crazy_davey said:
Jordan, you know I am a big fan of this product. I have had some amazing results with it and I know some other very long time members here that have experienced some of the same great results but have not yet posted in this thread. I have never been a big fan of "snake oils" but this product does what it claims to, I have witnessed it on multiple barrels.

I do have to remind you to keep the promotion of this product by yourself to PM or email as per the CGN rules.

Not trying to be a ####, just a friendly reminder.
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Yessir. I can remove the pricing information if needed.
 
bearhunter said:
I was a sceptic as well when I first heard about it. Thing is, some very knowledgeable people were promoting it. Time to try some and look into why it worked.

It works with "Free Silicone Molecules."

These were first used about 30 years ago in special paints and car wax/polish.

Remember the ads where they applied the stuff and water wouldn't stay on or spot, dust just sloughed off and the polishing rag would slide right off an almost level surface when set on it???? Probably before a lot of people were interested in such things.

It was great stuff, until you pranged your ride. Then when you went to get it painted, the undercoat and paint would start peeling off about a week later. I learned that one the hard way. Had to replace the whole quarter panel on my 72 T Bird. Try finding one.

Anyway, free silicone molecules are incredible things. They always move around and never stop. They need to be used very carefully.

By the way, they were discovered during WWII but were nothing but trouble. Finally, a floor wax producer in Vancouver got his hands on some and started adding it to his products. He make industrial waxes for office, store and factory floors. Then he decided it was so good that he would make up special vehicle polishes and tried to market it with airlines etc. Again, all sorts of problems because the stuff is just so slippery.

From what I can tell, Dyna Bore Coat is the same thing. It certainly acts in a similar manner.

I've done 5 rifles so far and all have shown fantastic results. It doesn't make them more accurate but it definitely reduces the fouling. A LOT.

I have a first series Year of Freedom marked Mini 14 that was a bear of a fouler. Not anymore. Several hundred rounds through it since coating and now it behaves quite well. It isn't nearly the chore it was to clean anymore either.

I can shoot 3 times as many rounds in my match rifles and two hunting rifles, before accuracy even starts to stray.

Even then, super quick clean up time.

I haven't tried retreating a barrel yet but I will give the 22-250 another go. It isn't showing any signs of fouling sooner but I want to experiment what it will do. Maybe nothing, maybe it will turn into one of those dream rifles that just refuses to foul. I have a Tikka T3 that is one of those.

Out of the hundreds of firearms I've owned, only a very few have been non foulers. If the rifles shoot well on top of not fouling, they are dreams to own.
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It does work very much like free silicone, and silicone molecules may very well be a component in the liquid, but it also uses suspended ceramic particulate. Ceramic holds up to the heat and pressure much better than does silicone, which is why the coating lasts the lifetime of the barrel. Re-applying will be helpful if the first coating was not thorough enough to coat the entire surface area of the bore, or if the bore wasn't entirely clean to bare steel the first time.
 
I was going to wait until I had more shooting time on my test, but there's a thread going so what the heck.

I've got a Kimber Select Grade in 7mm Rem that I was struggling with. It wasn't exactly a bad shooter and showed some promise but results were mixed. After a few range sessions a pattern emerged; namely that if I scrubbed it down to bare metal I could count on 2 great groups, and maybe a third before fliers opened some of the groups. With a cleaning rod and my copper solvent at the range it would keep shooting forever. Establishing that was some real progress although not thrilling. Even less thrilling when I'm a charter member of the almost never clean camp.

Shortly after that I was telling Crazy Davey about it. He recounted a similar tale, his with a custom rifle barrel that started great and quickly copper fouled to the point that accuracy was ruined. Another 2 group wonder. He had had UBC suggested to him and it was the cure.

Hearing that, I ordered some and treated the barrel. The first session was 14 shots and it was shooting as well at the end as the beginning. Cleaned that out and shot it again with equally encouraging results the next time. Next time was around 30 shots and it just kept shooting. Cleaning was easy that time, and I haven't cleaned it since. Still going strong with little bitty cloverleafs at 100 and most groups at 200 around an inch. In my opinion UBC saved that barrel, because I know I wouldn't have put up with it much longer. Really like the rifle now. Big Grin

Since I had lots left I tried it in some other rifles. A couple were fair shooters that didn't foul heavily, and they are still just that; fair shooters that didn't foul. I'm reluctant to put it in great shooting custom barrels because I don't see what I'm supposed to gain.

A next to new Weatherby .300 shot well clean or dirty but built a coppermine that didn't seem to hurt anything for up to a box at a time. Now with UBC it still shoots great but is easy to clean. No more coppermine, and I'll quit cleaning it until it pukes.

I can't say that it is going to improve a good shooting smooth barrel. Whats to improve?
I can say that if you happen to stumble onto a 2 group wonder it might be worth a try. I can think of some barrels that got sent down the road that I would have liked to try it in.

There's one thing that I noticed that is probably meaningless, but still interesting. Every rifle that I put it in shot 3/4 minute to the right after the initial cleaning. All I can think of is that lower friction leads to less torque. If it was just one barrel I wouldn't have given it a second thought, but 5 in a row is either a pattern or one heck of a lot of fluke.

Be prepared for the first and maybe second cleaning after treatment to produce all sorts of black crap, and to take just as long or longer to clean than before. After that, it gets much easier. I'm assuming that the black crap is the carrier.

The 7mm that I first mentioned had a "grabby" bore from the beginning. I could feel it on the cleaning rod right from cleaning out the factory grease. Now running a patch through it is different, its like cleaning a Gaillard or Lilja now. Some of you will know what I'm talking about.
 
Dogleg said:
I was going to wait until I had more shooting time on my test, but there's a thread going so what the heck.

I've got a Kimber Select Grade in 7mm Rem that I was struggling with. It wasn't exactly a bad shooter and showed some promise but results were mixed. After a few range sessions a pattern emerged; namely that if I scrubbed it down to bare metal I could count on 2 great groups, and maybe a third before fliers opened some of the groups. With a cleaning rod and my copper solvent at the range it would keep shooting forever. Establishing that was some real progress although not thrilling. Even less thrilling when I'm a charter member of the almost never clean camp.

Shortly after that I was telling Crazy Davey about it. He recounted a similar tale, his with a custom rifle barrel that started great and quickly copper fouled to the point that accuracy was ruined. Another 2 group wonder. He had had UBC suggested to him and it was the cure.

Hearing that, I ordered some and treated the barrel. The first session was 14 shots and it was shooting as well at the end as the beginning. Cleaned that out and shot it again with equally encouraging results the next time. Next time was around 30 shots and it just kept shooting. Cleaning was easy that time, and I haven't cleaned it since. Still going strong with little bitty cloverleafs at 100 and most groups at 200 around an inch. In my opinion UBC saved that barrel, because I know I wouldn't have put up with it much longer. Really like the rifle now. Big Grin

Since I had lots left I tried it in some other rifles. A couple were fair shooters that didn't foul heavily, and they are still just that; fair shooters that didn't foul. I'm reluctant to put it in great shooting custom barrels because I don't see what I'm supposed to gain.

A next to new Weatherby .300 shot well clean or dirty but built a coppermine that didn't seem to hurt anything for up to a box at a time. Now with UBC it still shoots great but is easy to clean. No more coppermine, and I'll quit cleaning it until it pukes.

I can't say that it is going to improve a good shooting smooth barrel. Whats to improve?
I can say that if you happen to stumble onto a 2 group wonder it might be worth a try. I can think of some barrels that got sent down the road that I would have liked to try it in.

There's one thing that I noticed that is probably meaningless, but still interesting. Every rifle that I put it in shot 3/4 minute to the right after the initial cleaning. All I can think of is that lower friction leads to less torque. If it was just one barrel I wouldn't have given it a second thought, but 5 in a row is either a pattern or one heck of a lot of fluke.

Be prepared for the first and maybe second cleaning after treatment to produce all sorts of black crap, and to take just as long or longer to clean than before. After that, it gets much easier. I'm assuming that the black crap is the carrier.

The 7mm that I first mentioned had a "grabby" bore from the beginning. I could feel it on the cleaning rod right from cleaning out the factory grease. Now running a patch through it is different, its like cleaning a Gaillard or Lilja now. Some of you will know what I'm talking about.
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Thanks for the feedback. Always nice to hear about the results that people are getting with DBC.

I have to admit, I'm not really surprised by your report. The only thing you'd see by applying DBC to your match-grade barrels, is even less fouling and easier cleaning. A really smooth steel bore is going to get even slicker when it's coated with ceramic. Some barrels foul so little to begin with, that you may not want to bother applying the coating, but it won't hurt.

I find it very interesting that you've observed a change in POI of 0.75 MOA to the right. This is the first I've heard of a change in POI. None of my rifles changed POI before and after applying DBC. Did you do many fouling and cleaning cycles after applying it? You may notice a change in POI during the curing cycle for the first handful of shots after the coating dries, but after you clean the barrel for the first time your POI should go back to normal.

That black crap that comes out after the first cleaning is very standard, and it's likely powder fouling that sticks to the carrier, which is essentially a glue. Your 7mm bore feels smoother now because the ceramic particulate fills in any imperfections or voids in the steel, essentially leaving one smooth ceramic finish.
 
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