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Steve Janes
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I am actually VERY interested. In seeing YOU, at least attempt this challenge you've presented......Along with everyone else who is willing to try. I just don't think anyone will try and post according to your set of RULES.....(It doesn't count if this and it doesn't count if that), and so suggested you consider that. I plainly state that I am not capable of printing groups like that, certainly not with my SAN set up in the way it is (Iron Sights), and I'm not sure if the Swiss could do it anyway (Maybe with Re-loads). But my curiosity is, CAN YOU?
No need to accomplish it himself, just post his own results of his attempt. Clearly following his own rules and parameters, so as to provide a better example of his "requirement's" for entering his contest.....
EDIT: Just saw the post below this one.....When Dirt McGirt shows up, you know the thread has some real potential eh
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Dirt McGirt
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Yo yo yo wen I go to detroit next week ima axe my homie j-money if i can use he m16 so i can enter dis contest. Ima bout ta school yall suckas cuz his gun strait up lazer
sithinside
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Gold. Thanks drt.
Steve Janes
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If you share your attempt, regardless of full completion, it will open things up a lot.
Say you shoot 3 groups great, and then the next one you sail one a bit, post your results anyway, and show that "this is how close I got to doing it
"Another idea, targets cost money, and not a lot of people will get this on their first try. It sure would suck if a guy ran out of targets, taped the holes on the last ones shot, and then completed the challenge, but did not post the results because he figured his taped targets would not count, frankly I don't care if the target has tape on it or not, most people on here do not lie about their grouping's.
That PWS sounds interesting, but that's for another thread. As for your 20" gun results, that's a solid performer with factory ammo. With respect to the new age of ignorant mouth breathing text chat. This planet is headed for complete failure with that sh*t along with the "don't hurt feelings" mentality of the public. We're rapidly becoming a society of internet raised low IQ, low self esteem, ignorant social cripples.
Back to the thead. I think limiting this challenge to factory ammo would level the playing field a bit more than allowing reloads. Atleast with factory ammo everyone has the opportunity to run the same stuff for continuity's sake.
TDC
Steve Janes
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Wait until TDC and his Grammer patrol get a hold of good old Dirt McGirt here......LOL
3 moa ?
I'd trash that rifle in a heartbeat.
At the same time, there are a select few ar's capable of 4, five round, sub moa groups in a row.
A match barrel, or high quality barrel like a noveske ss is pretty much required.
Your run of the mill Daniel defense's, colt's, stag's, etc. are going to need a lot of luck. And god help the su16, cz858, acr, etc.
I'd trash that rifle in a heartbeat.
At the same time, there are a select few ar's capable of 4, five round, sub moa groups in a row.
A match barrel, or high quality barrel like a noveske ss is pretty much required.
Your run of the mill Daniel defense's, colt's, stag's, etc. are going to need a lot of luck. And god help the su16, cz858, acr, etc.
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Who cares if the OP can do it or not?
If not, fine. It doesn't change the challenge at all. I don't think I can crack 1 MOA with my current machine, but it's still an interesting question. Next time I get the chance I will definitely give it a go.
If not, fine. It doesn't change the challenge at all. I don't think I can crack 1 MOA with my current machine, but it's still an interesting question. Next time I get the chance I will definitely give it a go.
Dirt McGirt gets a pass. He clearly suffers from a serious condition that will require years of therapy. Oddly enough, he often posts good information... Once you decipher it.
TDC
That is a great idea. I will try and do better than 6 moa.
Another classic BR thread - I am honestly shaking my head. The upshot for some of you is that when you get a little older, your ego will stop dropping out of your fly and tripping up your feet.
Theres nothing riding on this - why all the whining and challenging? Oh right - there's that infantile ego thing - my bad.
Great idea OP - my advice would be to talk to a forum moderator, and see about getting a stickied thread where results could be posted, and irrelevant posts could be deleted - 'cause there are kids tripping all over the place in this one!
I have an FN M249 barreled Adcor upper that I've only run fodder through, to this point. Two weeks left in camp, but I'll be give this a shot (my apologies for the bad pun) when I get home.
Less #####ing, whining, bellyaching and crying about rules and parameters - get out of your parent's basement and hit the range, kiddies.
Theres nothing riding on this - why all the whining and challenging? Oh right - there's that infantile ego thing - my bad.
Great idea OP - my advice would be to talk to a forum moderator, and see about getting a stickied thread where results could be posted, and irrelevant posts could be deleted - 'cause there are kids tripping all over the place in this one!
I have an FN M249 barreled Adcor upper that I've only run fodder through, to this point. Two weeks left in camp, but I'll be give this a shot (my apologies for the bad pun) when I get home.
Less #####ing, whining, bellyaching and crying about rules and parameters - get out of your parent's basement and hit the range, kiddies.
Most of them will providing the barrel is decent, it's free floated and the trigger is good. 1moa and just slightly below isn't hard to get with an AR. With a match grade barrel and tuned rifle 1/2 Moa and below is also pretty easy.
Fireball had an AR15 with free float handguard, some magpul stuff and a decent trigger. It shot 1 moa to just below 5 round groups at 100 metres. I've seen it. Granted these models come with hammer forged barrels. Also decent ammo was shot. It was 55pmc bronze. Not American Eagle plinking fodder. Also heavier ammo may help but often good quality 55 or 62 grain will shoot just as well or even better at the closer ranges such as 100-200 metres.
Oh and the AR Fireball had was a Norinco. It was an excellent shooter. I've seen it and I shot it. The only flaw with that rifle was the sub par finish. Improve or replace the trigger, free float the barrel and good quality ammo. You're no longed looking at battle rifle accuracy expectations with the AR. Want 1/4 to 1/2 moa? Same things needed only add a match SS barrel. The 10/22 of centerfire rifles.
Here's one I took a while back with my 14.5'' carbine.
My handloads @ 100m with my TA31F 4x32 ACOG (not in the picture). Sorry I don't have the actual measurements. The groups aren't sub MOA but they are good enough for me.
My handloads @ 100m with my TA31F 4x32 ACOG (not in the picture). Sorry I don't have the actual measurements. The groups aren't sub MOA but they are good enough for me.
I thought only attempts made after your first post count? I think he was just posting to finally get a picture in the thread.
I'll go buy a few boxes of good stuff and head out Thursday if weather cooperates and if I can get anything less than 2moa I'll post some pictures. I'll use my 12.5" AR and my Swiss.
Does my RFB count? It's black and semi auto. I need to burn off some factory surplus to create some more brass and then build some fresh loads so it won't be happening soon but I got a couple groups close to 1.5moa during testing with 110gr vmax's and just figured out a better way to bench it which should help at the range.
Haha, that's 60 posts and one picture
Definitely need a clean slate for this one.
Great idea just too many bored guys (including myself of course) posting irrelevant info and comments. At least I'm at work getting paid to waste time.
Nice shooting Yohann
