Push-feed vs CRF

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I've had M700 Remingtons forever; I've got 8 of 'em. All push-feeds of course.

Lately, when I get thinking about buying a new rifle. I am favoring CRF actions. The CZ-Brnos, the new M70 Winchesters are actions I really like, the M98 clones, Husky. The M77 Ruger is also CRF, but they don't interest me so much, though they are well built rifles.

I don't know that there is any real justification for wanting CRF vs the old faithful push-feed. My go-to rifle forever has been my old M700 .338WM. It has never failed me, although I have let it down a time or 2... like the time I drove over it... but that's a long story.
According to all theories, the push-feed is a piece of crap, extraction is suspect, the rifle is certain to fail etc...

FWIW, Craig Boddington has hunted extensively with M700s in Africa, because he's a lefty, and for years the only company that catered to left-handers was Remington. Boddington has a DVD out on African rifles and says it's hogwash, that a CRF action is necessary for Dangerous Game.

Anyway, there's just something about a Mauser cloned action, watching the extractor grab that cartridge and slide it into the chamber. I've got 5 CRF rifles now, and next bolt action rifle (whenever that is) that I get, will likely be CRF.

That A.G. Zella-Mehlis (Anschutz Pre-WWII) 9.3x62 has got an amazing action; so smooth. Likewise my new M70 Safari, and the CZ's that I've got.



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FWIW I love Ruger single action & double action revolvers, semi-auto pistols, Ruger No.1, the 10-22 etc...
 
A fine gunsmith can dremel down the crf lip just enough to
make it work like a push feed.
Got a couple here.
Then it's the best of both worlds, that is unless you git the
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There is a certain amount of class associated with CRF, particularly with African cartridges. IMHO though, the issue is way overblown, especially with ammunition which is less temperature sensitive than it was 80 years ago.
Consider this: when looking at military bolt actions used in service today, how many use CRF? Even in the big stuff like the .338LM and 50 BMG class bolt guns, CRF would be a rarity. Do you really expect the soldiers behind those rifles to be at less risk than hunting dangerous game?
Have you ever seen even a Lee Enfield fail?

I think it is interesting that when the CF was looking for a rifle to replace the LE for the Canadian Rangers, one of the criteria was push feed.
 
Way overblown in my mind, and I definitely own more CRF rifles than push feed. I think CRF is just one of many features that a fellow may want to look at when considering a rifle, and I don't think it is a must-have.
 
Way overblown -- I know fellows that have guided and shot more dangerous game than we van imaginf and they used push feeds.
 
270 vs 280 vs 30-06.
Bear defence.
223 for deer.
CRF vs PF.

Where would CGN be w/o them threads?

Wait till Angus get here. :D
 
Demonical, I have a love for the commercial mauser 98 action, and for the Ruger M77 as well. If it was me, I would by looking at a FW M70 or find an FN action or complete rifle. Maybe a Husky?

I am also in agreement with most here, CRF is not a necessity at all, in fact most times I prefer a push feed as I single load a lot, CRF makes it a pain when you want to quickly drop a round in and close the bolt.
 
Bowie said:
Have you ever seen even a Lee Enfield fail?
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Actually yes, (they lack a cartridge interrupter) hence why I no longer own any and believe the Mosin to be a better rifle.

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Brilliant.

As for the CRF vs PF debate... I have never noticed a difference.
Then again I don't use my rifles while upside down or while dodging incoming bullets on a battlefield...so far. ;)
 
Have a look at these:

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Do you know what this is? Newest MAUSER M12, Mauser for the love of

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Now that's sacrilege
 
I prefer CRF in a hunting rifle because I prefer it. Operator error can jam a push feed if they short stroke it, but that is not the fault of the rifle or action.

I've used plenty of push feeds and currently own several, but it's my second choice.

I never have an issue single feeding a CRF. Modern Mauser style rifles like M70 and Ruger 77's will chamber a round that is dropped into the action, and Mausers can do it too if you press the extractor a little bit, although I've heard on the internet that it can break an extractor.
 
owlowl said:
Have a look at these:

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Do you know what this is? Newest MAUSER M12, Mauser for the love of

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Now that's sacrilege
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Mauser CRF is no more since really a long time ago even if you can buy an original M98 from them ...

the m77,94, 66, 03, 2000 etc. are good for some but they share the same issue availability for parts when needed ....
 
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