Ardent
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Can someone translate this please?
I re-read my post and caught one "you", as in "pick the style "you" like.Flapjacks over the Barbie to your moon sir.
Push-feed vs CRF
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Can someone translate this please?
I re-read my post and caught one "you", as in "pick the style "you" like.Flapjacks over the Barbie to your moon sir.
One of my biggest complaints about push feed rifles is the plunger ejector they tend to be fitted with. With a Mauser style ejector you have a measure of control over how vigorously the cases come out of the rifle. With my push feed Ruger, live rounds tend to dribble out the side, and empties land a couple of feet away. To get there, the brass is dragged along the right side of the chamber, then the receiver ring, since the plunger starts pushing as soon there is any clearance.
With a Mauser, I can eject empty brass with a gentle nudge if I don't want to lose it, or if I really crank it, the brass will smack into the wall 12 feet away. ( Handy for stopping buffalo and grizzly bear charges... if the bullet doesn't stop him, you can turn the rifle sideways and get him with the empty case!) I can withdraw the bolt without ejecting the case at all if I choose. I can fit an empty case or a live round to the bolt, and insert it into the rifle without touching anything else; this came in handy recently when I was trying to diagnose deep scratches in my brass... turned out I had a burr in the chamber. You can't do that with a push feed.
I also like to be able to cycle every round through the action without closing the bolt. This is normally how I unload my Mausers... can't do that with a push feed either.
With a Mauser, I can eject empty brass with a gentle nudge if I don't want to lose it, or if I really crank it, the brass will smack into the wall 12 feet away. ( Handy for stopping buffalo and grizzly bear charges... if the bullet doesn't stop him, you can turn the rifle sideways and get him with the empty case!) I can withdraw the bolt without ejecting the case at all if I choose. I can fit an empty case or a live round to the bolt, and insert it into the rifle without touching anything else; this came in handy recently when I was trying to diagnose deep scratches in my brass... turned out I had a burr in the chamber. You can't do that with a push feed.
I also like to be able to cycle every round through the action without closing the bolt. This is normally how I unload my Mausers... can't do that with a push feed either.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
WTF is the deal with the "upside down" cycling BS? Has anyone actually encountered a situation where this was necessary? I'm thinking some of you need some rifle handling lessons.
Don't go forgetting zero gravity cycling. Necessary? No, neat yes. In the real world applications are highly limited.
In all seriousness, many PFs I've had will cycle upside down. And for what it's worth I cycled a Ruger once while laying on my back in a curious situation, so once in my life I've had an application for it without thinking it at the time. Is it something I'll take on a rifle for chasing lions, cape buffalo, leopard, elephant? Yessir! For regular stuff we talk about on CGN? No longer terribly concerned about it.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Points I too appreciate about CRFs, nice minor conveniences.
Except the Sako 85 and both Dakota 76 and 97 are CRF. And all of your descriptors do apply to Kimber, everything that a David Miller, Darcy Echols and Ralph Martini make. And Bill Leeper and Mitch Kendall. Where was that opinion going again?......
Can someone translate this please?
Flapjacks over the Barbie to your moon sir.
Read it again, there is a you and a you've. You did not answer the question, "what about these "top notch" firearms, that you have ultimate knowledge about.
Ardent
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Well I'm glad we got that straight. My ultimate knowledge is no better than another man's google, and the secret on top notch rifles and the actions of choice aren't a terribly well kept.
We should deepen this argument with impossible sweeping statements however from both our sides to be thorough.
My ultimate knowledge is no better than another man's google, and the secret on top notch rifles and the actions of choice aren't a terribly well kept. We should deepen this argument with impossible sweeping statements however from both our sides to be thorough.
I prefer Ruger #1's, would that be a push feed because you slide in a round? Or a CRF because the cartridge is controlled by the user?
Lets argue this instead..... after all, we are here just for the argument right?
Lets argue this instead..... after all, we are here just for the argument right?
Which part?
I disagree with both parts in the case of the high dollar it would be at what dollar level,you would call high dollar as for the sleek and smooth part mostly the good pf will be smoother than a good crf although not that i care but as long as you believe you have the final word and other peoples opinions are garbage i thought i would point out that the opposite point could credibly be made and that your post is equally garbage
I just go on a rifle by rifle basis. I am not pre-judiced to any kind of action. A reliable gun is a reliable gun. I am ex-military, and love military history. That love of historical military rifles spawned my love of CRF. BUT, I'm not a foolish enough person to overlook a quality gun, or one that shoots awesomely and has excellent ergonomics just because it is pushfeed. That is why, out of the 23 rifles I now own, my most used big game gun is now pushfeed. (I still love CRF, but use what works for me)
Can you please point out these higher dollar higher end push feed customs please.
All the custom benchrest type aftermarket action customs and many hunting type even 700 based ones where do you start calling them high dollar some of them are pretty pricey especially if someone is a crf non believer im pretty sure he can learn to spend as much as a crf customer
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