Why are we able to own ASSAULT RIFLES

I don't think black rifles should be banned, I'm just against horridly inaccurate arguments. Just cause the anti's misrepresent the truth like it's going out of style doesn't mean we have to stoop to that level.

Instead of arguing that neither rifle is more lethal than the other since they're both semi-autos, we should be pointing out what the different features on the black rifle are for. i.e.

Detachable magazine
- quicker and more convenient reloading of the firearm to shoot more rounds down range faster

Fabulous. Let's all work hard to see if we can't develop nice one-sentence summaries for the anti-gunners covering things like the reasons why there should be magazine capacity restrictions - and give the summaries all a "gun lobby" gold seal of approval for accuracy to boot.

Any more bright ideas? Maybe a nice pithy commentary on how the bayonet lug is handy because it lets a bayonet be mounted on the end of the rifle by those occasional users who want to kill a bunch of babies but don't want to risk running out of ammunition, so they can just spit the little nippers instead?
 
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I actually thought overall the OP had some decent arguments. Yes Id cover off that semi auto isn't an assault rifle and is produced to be semi auto only so it's not easyto convert them to full auto.

Going with the car theme, I'd add that the semi auto is the street legal version. Not the race car track only version. Plus I would argue that a Ferrari has a double clutch automatic these days but why do you need to go faster from 0 to 60, or as already pointed out go over 100 km/h? I would then ask them what would they think if they bought a Ferrari with hard earned after tax dollars and a government then decided that due to single vehicle collisions, street racing and impaired driving deaths that they were going to prohibit your car or restrict it to track use only. You could only sell it to others with the same licence classification and you needed an authourization to transport to take it to the track. Plus you needed to belong to a track club or they won't renew your licence/give ATT. Add in Corvettes etc. The public would never accept this.

As for the "need" argument. I don't need more than water, food, and shelter. I don't need nice vehicles, fancy restaurants, a nice house, vacations etc. But then again I have no interest in living in a police state which is the entire premise of the "need" argument.

The AR was prohibited and then restricted based on the premise of "No legitimate sporting purpose". The irony is many hunters jumped on this bandwagon. What they ended up doing was restricting our modern day equivalent to the military Mauser action. The action that most hunting rifles are based on. The AR is able to group sub moa with ease, is light, very ergonomic can be free floated and based on synthetic materials. Everything you look for in a hunting rifle. The AR is prolific for hunting and varminting in the US.

As for the hunting argument. People that argue this don't seem to understand that it is more humane if a follow upshot is required. Plus dangerous game hunting. Wild boar hunting etc can be very dangerous for the hunter. A semi auto can be the difference between life and death for the hunter.

Also for "hunting" these people aren't aware of varmint hunting. Farmers often have to contend with prairie dog colonies etc. An acurate semi auto such as the AR15 can be very sucessful for this. For farmers getting rid of a threat to their crops, livestock etc isn't sport. They want to tackle this quickly and efficiently so they can get back to farming. Same goes for Coyote problems or other predators which threaten livestock.

One last point I like to hit on. These semi auto military based rifles are coveted possessions. They can cost anywhere from $800 to over $3000 without optics. They are secured by owners the same as any other valuable. They aren't just left around as their cost and pride of ownership put them in colectable/coveted possession territory for legal owners.

Ultimately we all know the anti mentality is a foot in the door method. It will never be enough. Tomorrow handguns, then those Mauser based "sniper rifles" many hunters hoped were off limit. In a perfect anti world your only weapon is a phone so the state can protect you. The extreme right and extreme left both have one thing in common. They ultimately both lead to a police state. Everyone knows what's best for you and everything is for the good of the state. Just think of the children! A tried and true way of giving up ones rights and freedoms. The "need" argument is the foot in the door/slippery slope to this. It's especially easy to justify this when taking away rights and freedoms from a minority. Another age old tried and true method. Obama has recently used both of these tricks.
 
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I actually thought overall the OP had some decent arguments. Yes Id cover off that semi auto isn't an assault rifle and is produced to be semi auto only so it's not easyto convert them to full auto.

Going with the car theme, I'd add that the semi auto is the street legal version. Not the race car track only version. Plus I would argue that a Ferrari has a double clutch automatic these days but why do you need to go faster from 0 to 60, or as already pointed out go over 100 km/h? I would then ask them what would they think if they bought a Ferrari with hard earned after tax dollars and a government then decided that due to single vehicle collisions, street racing and impaired driving deaths that they were going to prohibit your car or restrict it to track use only. You could only sell it to others with the same licence classification and you needed an authourization to transport to take it to the track. Plus you needed to belong to a track club or they won't renew your licence/give ATT. Add in Corvettes etc. The public would never accept this.

As for the "need" argument. I don't need more than water, food, and shelter. I don't need nice vehicles, fancy restaurants, a nice house, vacations etc. But then again I have no interest in living in a police state which is the entire premise of the "need" argument.

The AR was prohibited and then restricted based on the premise of "No legitimate sporting purpose". The irony is many hunters jumped on this bandwagon. What they ended up doing was restricting our modern day equivalent to the military Mauser action. The action that most hunting rifles are based on. The AR is able to group sub moa with ease, is light, very ergonomic can be free floated and based on synthetic materials. Everything you look for in a hunting rifle. The AR is prolific for hunting and varminting in the US.

As for the hunting argument. People that argue this don't seem to understand that it is more humane if a follow upshot is required. Plus dangerous game hunting. Wild boar hunting etc can be very dangerous for the hunter. A semi auto can be the difference between life and death for the hunter.

Also for "hunting" these people aren't aware of varmint hunting. Farmers often have to contend with prairie dog colonies etc. An acurate semi auto such as the AR15 can be very sucessful for this. For farmers getting rid of a threat to their crops, livestock etc isn't sport. They want to tackle this quickly and efficiently so they can get back to farming. Same goes for Coyote problems or other predators which threaten livestock.

One last point I like to hit on. These semi auto military based rifles are coveted possessions. They can cost anywhere from $800 to over $3000 without optics. They are secured by owners the same as any other valuable. They aren't just left around as their cost and pride of ownership put them in colectable/coveted possession territory for legal owners.

Ultimately we all know the anti mentality is a foot in the door method. It will never be enough. Tomorrow handguns, then those Mauser based "sniper rifles" many hunters hoped were off limit. In a perfect anti world your only weapon is a phone so the state can protect you. The extreme right and extreme left both have one thing in common. They ultimately both lead to a police state. Everyone knows what's best for you and everything is for the good of the state. Just think of the children! A tried and true way of giving up ones rights and freedoms. The "need" argument is the foot in the door/slippery slope to this. It's especially easy to justify this when taking away rights and freedoms from a minority. Another age old tried and true method. Obama has recently used both of these tricks.

A superb summary, I think.
 
Why is it that those who wish to limit the choices free men and women make are seen as reasonable and those who advocate allowing everyone to make choices for themselves are the ones who need to defend that right?

Because our society has no idea what reasonable means, which is why I deplore the fact that it appears 485 times in the Canadian Criminal Code.
 
What is wrong with having a semi automatic rifle to defend your family against crazy meth killers and help your country if there is ever another war?
Why should sane and working citizens not be allowed to defend their lives?
I don't see an issue there.
 
What is wrong with having a semi automatic rifle to defend your family against crazy meth killers and help your country if there is ever another war?
Why should sane and working citizens not be allowed to defend their lives?
I don't see an issue there.

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I don't own any assault rifles or weapons. I do however own an M4 Carbine that I use for target shooting and a possible SHTF situation. My Browning X Bolt in 308 is an assault rifle if you we're a deer. I've never assaulted anyone with a firearm or rifle therefore I don't own any weapons or assault rifles =)
 
I don't own any assault rifles or weapons. I do however own an M4 Carbine that I use for target shooting and a possible SHTF situation. My Browning X Bolt in 308 is an assault rifle if you we're a deer. I've never assaulted anyone with a firearm or rifle therefore I don't own any weapons or assault rifles =)

I assure you we are not deer.
 
Why do you own one?

To match my "assault" pistol, "assault" shotgun, "assault" knife, "assault" tablet computer, "assault" multi-tool, "assault" cell-phone, "assault" pants, "assault" polo-shirt, and "assault" jacket. Is it a crime to have your personal belongings to match?

Anything I own can be used, in some way, to assault someone. It's the personal choice I make NOT to employ my property in such a way, not any characteristic about the individual item. I own one the reason I own anything - because I am a free man, and I chose to own and use property in such a way that does not injure, or assault, anyone else.

Why should we have them?

"We" shouldn't have anything. Only socialists think of ownership in terms of "we."

You, I, and anyone else individually should have the right to own whatever you, I or anyone else want, provided you or I do not use it to "assault" anyone. That's what it is like to live in a free society.

Why are we currently able to have them?

Again, "we" currently shouldn't have anything... what are you, a communist?

You, I, or anyone else can have them because there's some modicum of personal liberty in our society and the simple act of privately owning an "assault" rifle ensures that will continue to exist.

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Noun
A small quantity of a particular thing, esp. something considered desirable or valuable.
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Easiest way to explain the assault rifle issue to people who ask why you should be allowed to have one (waste of time to even debate if it is or isn't an assaut rifle...to them it is):

Response: Magazine is limited to five rounds.

That pretty much takes the wind out of their sails. Even if the thing was fully automatic, so what? Five bloody rounds. Magazine empty in half a second.
 
KevB has access to every cool gun ever, that is the benefit of living in the US and working for the best small arms manufacture in North America...For us lonely Canadians you have to be a dealer and probably have entertainment license along with a Gun range, and manufacturing as well under your license to get all the cool stuff....Plus you have to convince the CFO you are the real deal, a little difficult for people that already have a career, in Ontario that is a nearly impossible task it seems...

Anyone can get what you want in Saskatchewan though...;)
 
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