Swiss Arms rifles being examined for reclassification?

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JR at the Shooting Edge ;8741563 said:
Firstly, I understand: Haters are going to hate so, I did expect my name to be dropped into the fray sooner or later.

To confirm: There is an ongoing investigation into the entire Swiss Arms family going on with the RCMP. It is about 18 months old as witnessed by us not having our SAPR FRT number yet. That submission started a file internally inside the RCMP to have the entire family looked at, as the original FRTs were given without an actual inspection of a firearm. It is now policy that FRTs for any potentially controversial firearm be thoroughly examined by them. I would expect, given my conversations with the RCMP people, that this is not the last of the examinations we will witness in the upcoming months.

This file did take on a more time sensitive nature though in November of 2012 due to the actions of a third party.

I have spoken at length with the RCMP firearms people and have been given a very lengthy letter of questions that they would like Swiss Arms to answer to put this whole matter to bed.

I am actually traveling over to Europe next week and am going to be working with Swiss Arms to prepare the documents.

Why you may ask?

Because I have more skin in the game than ANYONE in Canada in regards to these pieces of art.

1. My company has over $50k in parts and accessories in stock

2. My company has 7 of these rifles in inventory that we have pulled and put in the back as we feel it is unethical to sell them while there is uncertainty for the buyer.

3. I personally own 8 Swiss Arms rifles in various configurations that I would dearly hate to lose.

Detractors of me and my company are quick to point fingers at me. However, over time and once the dust settles, the truth of the matter and the organizations that are the true trigger points, besides the obvious mistakes made by individuals within Swiss Arms, will vindicate me and my organization.

As to this Dlask thing brought up: I have no idea what I am being accused of and have NEVER called the RCMP on Dlask. Why would I? I sell Dlask products and have nothing but respect for Mr. Dlask.

As I am not an agent for Swiss Arms, I cannot speak for them. However, I have spoken on numerous time in the recent months with their CEO/President and he is committed to helping in anyway he can.

I will post info and updates as I can. However even at this point it will take a few months before there is anything more to add. No one, including the RCMP want to screw this up.
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Dear JR, please PLEASE get this whole thing straightened out.
 
HKMark23 said:
My real fear, not being a PE-90 owner, is that when confiscated firearms aren't turned in in the expected numbers, pro-registry types will claim justification for resurrection of the LGR.
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Have no fear and do what is right, always. This means never submit to criminals.

How many fools registered guns in the LGR? Not even one in ten? This crap isn't returning any time soon.
 
fenceline said:
If the receivers were designed as full autos then made into semi, then it would fall into the converted auto category.

So send that receiver in, get one that never was full auto then install all your parts back onto the new receiver.

Sucks price wise. But the Swiss isn't a "named" prohib so it would be able to make a return if it does get prohib.

Just a PITA. Whoever made the complaint should be named, and if in the gun industry thoroughly shunned.
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Soooooo right !!!!!!

Ignore the all the name changes - SG550 SP = PE90 = Black Special = Classic Green = etc.

Our rifle was NEVER full auto - picture an assembly line where our rifle was taken out of the queue at various stages of the build.

Our rifles are missing 50% of the trigger group PLUS the lower is missing a stamping / forming manufacture step PLUS the bolt is missing a machining step !!!!!!!!

To summarize - no group of guys sitting around a table are EVER gonna get a SG55x SP to go full auto - never gonna happen.

It would be far easier, and a lot less time involved, to make a Kit Kat full auto .....
 
ztunelover said:
How is the gov planning on tracking down rifles that don't exist? Make a "local sale all cash" if the local reclassification goes through. Only looked at guys pal, didnt jot down the number. So sorry I no longer have the rifle. ;)
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If they class them as prohib. it wont matter where they went as being caught with one at a range/bush will be illegal.
 
Kurch said:
If they class them as prohib. it wont matter where they went as being caught with one at a range/bush will be illegal.
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They would have to inform every gun owner in the country by registered letter that they had been prohibited, otherwise owners would not know.
 
abbynormal said:
Soooooo right !!!!!!

Ignore the all the name changes - SG550 SP = PE90 = Black Special = Classic Green = etc.

Our rifle was NEVER full auto - picture an assembly line where our rifle was taken out of the queue at various stages of the build.

Our rifles are missing 50% of the trigger group PLUS the lower is missing a stamping / forming manufacture step PLUS the bolt is missing a machining step !!!!!!!!

To summarize - no group of guys sitting around a table are EVER gonna get a SG55x SP to go full auto - never gonna happen.

It would be far easier, and a lot less time involved, to make a Kit Kat full auto .....
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I hope you are right.
 
Please be assured that the NFA will be charging hard on this issue. We're in the process of investigating the issue and will have more to report in the coming week. What we're seeing here is the RCMP's death by a thousand cuts strategy where they target the "proverbial low-hanging" fruit...guns that are few in number, "ugly" or "scary" looking that few members of the public or even most gun owners could care less about. At least until the RCMP come knocking for their Mini-14, CZ-858, or Benelli M2. We're all in this together. I can only hope that enough fellow gun owners will have the foresight to recognize this truth and act accordingly. United we stand, divided we fall.
 
41 Colt said:
They won't round them up, they could reclass them to a new 12.X making it illegal to own without upgrading your licence if you are a current owner. When you upgrade your licence they will want proof your own one (serial number) and then register it to you. Then, just as with the other prohibs, the government waits for you to die to solve the problem.
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You are a little out of touch with reality. They don't issue 12.X anymore, unless someone is eligible due to an inheritance. They have and will confiscate guns. That is what they have done with all the latest re-classifications. Then the "Conservative" government denies there was ever a re-classification; only a mis-classification they are correcting. Of course I whole heartedly disagree but that is exactly what has and will happen.
 
41 Colt said:
They won't round them up, they could reclass them to a new 12.X making it illegal to own without upgrading your licence if you are a current owner. When you upgrade your licence they will want proof your own one (serial number) and then register it to you. Then, just as with the other prohibs, the government waits for you to die to solve the problem.
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That might work if they were named prohibited by a new OIC, but if they are determined to be "converted auto" they would have to confiscate them under the current law. Only way to get around this would be to legalize C/A rifles again. Not going to happen. Remember, nothing is set in stone at this time, it is still "under review", and has apparently been for some time (over a year). I find it unlikely (although not impossible) that they will go prohib (this would create a serious problem for the RCMP FRT lab), and if they do, it will be one he!! of a buyback (millions in compensation, and likely millions more to collect them all).
 
VanIsler said:
You are a little out of touch with reality. They don't issue 12.X anymore, unless someone is eligible due to an inheritance. They have and will confiscate guns. That is what they have done with all the latest re-classifications. Then the "Conservative" government denies there was ever a re-classification; only a mis-classification they are correcting. Of course I whole heartedly disagree but that is exactly what has and will happen.
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Seems to me if they can issue a 12.x for one reason they can issue it for another. As to "exactly what has and will happen", that would be called a "guess". Yours is as good as anyone's I suppose. Don't vote Conservative do you ;) ?
 
HKMark23 said:
Seems to me if they can issue a 12.x for one reason they can issue it for another. As to "exactly what has and will happen", that would be called a "guess". Yours is as good as anyone's I suppose. Don't vote Conservative do you ;) ?
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Are you kidding me? There have been four or five rifles re-classed in the last two years and that IS what happened. The law does not allow for new 12.x to be issued the inheritance is allowed under the firearms act, there is no provision for other prohibited licenses. That would require a re-write of the firearms act put into law in the 90s. Not a guess, a statement of FACT.

Yes I vote Conservative but this government is NOT conservative in the least.
 
HKMark23 said:
Seems to me if they can issue a 12.x for one reason they can issue it for another. As to "exactly what has and will happen", that would be called a "guess". Yours is as good as anyone's I suppose. Don't vote Conservative do you ;) ?
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The 12(x) program was a one time thing. When it came in, that was the time. All other guns will, and have, been confiscated when reclassified.

Short of a change to the law, that is what will happen.

Until the conservatives change that law, it won't matter if you voted for them or not.
 
Kurch said:
If they class them as prohib. it wont matter where they went as being caught with one at a range/bush will be illegal.
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But if it costs too much or is too difficult for the gov, they simply wont reclassify the swiss. Like cz858, there is a ridiculous number of those in this country. Good luck rounding up all of them.
 
The sheer number out there will determine the difficulty level for the government, as well as lash back from every Swiss Arms owners and everyone else who would like to own one or support the cause. The more difficult, the more chance that they will leave it alone instead of push the issue. Pushing the issue, may create a spark for a wave of change. Threaten thousands of legal gun owners with a loss of a 3K investment, would shed lots of light on the current system and exactly how broken it is!
 
mattf87 said:
Why? So that you can spend 4 grand, then get kicked in the teeth by the Gov't if this goes through? I think I'd stay away from Swiss until this settles down that's for sure.
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By that logic one could rationally conclude it would be best to stay away from anything not a "duck gun", or perhaps from firearms altogether.

Back to the 12.x argument: If the reclassification of a firearm as prohibited, is slam dunk doomed to result in confiscation, how come there is a 12.x category at all ? By any estimation there are a considerable number of these rifles in the country now, which makes a difference as cited by posters above. The legal history of these re-classifications notwithstanding, I can't help but think that all options are open. Lets not forget that the main driver of the repeal of the LGR was the wasteful expense of it, not its unfairness to us. The legal diddling required to grandfather current owners would certainly seem cheaper and the results of it more assured than an attempt at confiscation & reimbursement would be. Legislators can change a law, that's what they do. "Just my guess ;)".
 
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