Swiss Arms rifles being examined for reclassification?

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This all started years ago, really, with the banning/prohibiting of converted auto's. All of a sudden the ability to make a full-auto weapon became more important than common sense.

The law should be simple. Own a full auto illegally, go to jail. Own something that could be full auto, do not go to jail. The law should be black and white, no grey. We all know (or should know) most guns can be given a fun switch if enough time and money is sunk into them.

This is politics, not common sense, pure and simple.
 
Korporal said:
This all started years ago, really, with the banning/prohibiting of converted auto's. All of a sudden the ability to make a full-auto weapon became more important than common sense.

The law should be simple. Own a full auto illegally, go to jail. Own something that could be full auto, do not go to jail. The law should be black and white, no grey. We all know (or should know) most guns can be given a fun switch if enough time and money is sunk into them.

This is politics, not common sense, pure and simple.
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Could not have said it better. Cheers.
 
supernova said:
I think the RCMP is just doing its job. Someone told them these rifles are CAs so they are investigating it. You cant call the police, tell them your neighbor is raping his daughter in the yard and not expect anything to happen. They were tipped off of an illegal activity now they are looking into it. The superdouche that tipped them off should be slammed in the junk repeatedly with the butt of a SAN by each and every current and future SAN owner to insure he can never reproduce into something worse than an anti-gun lobbyist, of which he himself has become. Do I like that its happening? F**K no! But its not like the RCMP decided to attack us. They cant ignore reports of illegal activity. I sincerely hope that they find these rifles in the same light as they did when they issued the first FRT number, and the ### guzzling drag queen that made these allegations comes to light and gets driven out of business.
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They ignore reports of illegal activity ALL the time...

I understand they should look into this as a call was made (wonder who?!) and talk to SAN...a few e-mails back and forth will confirm it. Done deal!

But nope...this works of FOR THEM...they are biased and talking control. They do not (in their minds) have to prove/give reason for their actions when it comes to ANYTHING gun related. They have no dead lines, no proof required. Getting a gun to spit out a few bullets ONCE in "full auto" after being worked on in a shop with no budget by top gun smiths and being held down with duct tape is enough to ban it.

Are we gonna start requiring women to stay indoors in case they decide they may go sell their bodies on the corner? Stop the crime before its a crime!!! Even if it means personal freedoms are gone!!! Yaaa CANADA!!! WERE SOOOO MODERN!!!

They are doing the EXACT same stuff to us. Punishing us for a crime that is already illegal and HAS NOT BEEN DONE!!!
 
supernova said:
I think the RCMP is just doing its job.
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The point is, the fact that a gun can be converted should not be a factor hear at all.

Classification should not be based on what someone could do. Either it is full auto, or semi auto. We as gun owners are trusted to not break the law in the fact that we even own guns in the first place. As I mentioned there are hundreds if not thousands of gun owners with fully automatic rifles in their safes right now, and these ######s are going to start confiscating other rifles based on the fact that they can be converted?

Makes absolutely no sense, and is all an excuse to take guns away from us.

Eventually this is the way they will take all of our guns. The possibility of a gun being stolen, altered, or used illegally will be reason enough for them to be taken away. If they start focusing on the what if's we are all screwed!
 
mlehtovaara said:
Eventually this is the way they will take all of our guns. The possibility of a gun being stolen, altered, or used illegally will be reason enough for them to be taken away. If they start focusing on the what if's we are all screwed!
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Is it that we're now potentially screwed, or that we've perhaps been screwed all along and are just waking up to this realization? I think things were set in motion long before most of us were even born... When a kid gets suspended for bringing a 1" LEGO gun onto a bus and another gets disciplined for intervening against a knife-wielding assailant, one really has to ask what the hell is wrong with our society.
 
promac said:
If the RCMP reclassify SA's as prohibited, it would suggest gross negligence on their part.
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This is the argument I think would be made. Again' I'm assuming the PE-90 was passed on by the RCMP prior to the import of the very first rifle. Since then, a lot of PE-90 bu$ine$$ has been done and a lot of rifles purchased on the strength of that initial assessment. There are a lot of these rifles in Canada now. It seems to me there is a world of difference between this scenario and similar reversals of assessments made on firearms already in Canadian hands and not brought into Canada on the strength of an RCMP assessment. Its also been adequately pointed out that this isn't new law (hence 12.X's), but this situation, in its timing, seems characteristically similar and they've gotta know confiscation isn't gonna work. The stage is set for grandfathering. Guess we'll find out soon enough.
 
Well if it is a 550 variant and not a 540, it is a prohib. (But, I don't see a bunch of 12-5 ? being handed out)

I just don't see how many people would be able to tell if it is a 540 or 550. What the heck is the difference anyways? Also what if it is a 540 with a few 550 parts inside? What then? Is it a different enough rifle all together? Like the AR180 and AR180b?

The swiss arms is not a 550. But, the ends results is: it is up to the RCMP firearms lab. :( Hopefully enough business owners can provide enough documentation to sway the RCMP firearms lab.
 
1ClickWronG said:
Found this...here the list ?


http://www.survivalblog.com/2011/07/letter_re_expanded_gun_control.html
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Sunday, Jul 31, 2011

Mr. Rawles,
The owner of CanadaAmmo.com recently posted on a public forum (Canadiangunnutz.com) that the Royal Canadian Mountain Police (RCMP) Firearms lab "is encouraging importers to hold off on new imports until the fall, when they expect the prohibited list to be 'updated' to reflect new models." Updating the prohibited list in all probability and precedent would mean sweeping confiscations of some firearms. [JWR Adds: Unlike here in the U.S., Canadian gun laws don't have a tendency toward "grandfather" exclusion clauses.]

Even though the Conservative party of Canada now holds a majority government in Parliament and the party has claimed for years they would abolish the much hated Federal Long Gun Registry, they also have allowed the RCMP to reclassify and confiscate a variety of firearms in recent years, including the Norinco Type 97 bullpup carbine.

In all probability, high ranking RCMP bureaucrats in association with well funded, well organized gun-control lobbyists are petitioning the government to reclassify a wide range of currently "tacticool," firearms contained within the long gun registry through an undemocratic order in council provision that exists in the draconian Canada Firearms Act. These include:

M1A (M14)
Mini-14
Mini-30
AR-180b
[Robinson] M96
[Robinson] XCR
[HK] G36
Swiss Arms [Presumably the SIG 550 or 556 Series?]
CZ858
CZ2003
[IMI Tavor bullpup] TAR-21
[HK] SL-8
[E.M.F.] JR Carbine
KEL-TEC RFB

Before it's too late, Canadian gun owners need to contact their members of parliament to let them know that government confiscation of property is theft; regardless of the creative excuses police bureaucrats come up with. - Mr. X.

^ And here we go, basically all of our semi autos!!!! :mad:
 
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most of the guns in that list are not consistant with the swiss arms situation.

Each of those guns would need a conspiracy theory of its own.

I would say that list is complete and utter crap.
 
I would like to know which business forwarded this can of worms to the RCMP so I can make sure to never spend a cent with them, PM me please.
 
evolture said:
the Tipped Canoe Party?

Seriously though, if a rifle of mine became prohibited and all legal options were exhausted, I'd turn it in.
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I would never give them the satisfaction of turning in the rifle, either strip it down to a bare receiver and give them that or deactivate it so that I could still recover some value.
 
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