Swiss Arms rifles being examined for reclassification?
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That and to create some kind of property rights protection.
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I tried to make it as digestible as possible in my write-up.
To be clear: There is no investigation before the end of the month. Only a window for retailers to submit documentation. At the end of the month an investigation might begin. At that point we can start asking for information and updates.
To be clear: There is no investigation before the end of the month. Only a window for retailers to submit documentation. At the end of the month an investigation might begin. At that point we can start asking for information and updates.
They sure as #### haven't acted or listened before, why would that change now? They are on a path to pure self destruction by alienating even their most loyal base now. I have called and talked to my MP and others, written letters, emailed and all I EVER get is empty promises and lip service. NOTHING is ever done by them. LGR dead? Whoop dee do. They can track NR guns other ways through business ledgers, internet monitoring, etc. What good is the LGR being dead if all they have to do is prohib guns at any time with the political masters that be doing sweet #### all except writing cheques to each other and playing grab ass in the big house on Parliment Hill?
What business is it of yours or mine what TSE or CSC has to gain by operating how they operate?
Unless you're a shareholder in their business, you have no legitimate stake or say on how they do anything with their business.
What matters is what you do PERSONALLY to protect your own property rights - and pointing fingers, blaming someone, siding with someone, and engaging in divisive debates over WHO in the market to crucify does nothing to serve that effort.
Like I said before and I will say again - TSE and CSC won't be the ones to send tactical teams to your home to confiscate your rifles at gunpoint IF they are prohibited. The RCMP and the Government will.
Identifying who the REAL opponent and the REAL danger are what matters, and by what has been posted here - it seems very few (including and especially those in the know) seem to have that straight.
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The way I read the letter was the investigation was complete and we had until the 30th to provide evidence to the contrary.
And as any anti will point out; the infrastructure for the registry is still there with restricted and prohibited firearms. So, it will be easy for the Libs or NDP to re-instate it. There is already a lawsuit by an anti group in Toronto that mentions this. The NDP have said it, and use it as a reason why re-instating the registry will not be expensive. The sheeple will buy that...
The best protection against confiscation is property rights. Ask Paul Martin:
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canadavotes2006/national/2006/01/12/elxn-propertyrights-harpmart.html
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what did this all stem from?
Exactly. The RCMP has made-up it's mind, after months of investigation apparently (?), with the information and exemplars that have been provided/submitted. It is now up to SAN and others involved to all of a sudden provide documentation and technical specs contraindicating prohib status at the 11th hour. That's how I see it anyway...
Go to Post #463
Letter sent to the CPC, and I will keep sending it unil I see action. I did canvas some of your posts for material as some of you had very good points.
At the end of this month my property may be seized.
Who is in charge of making laws in this Country? Is it Parliament or is it the RCMP?
By the looks of things lately it is not parliament when it comes to the firearms act, it is clearly the RCMP. I was under the impression that their job is to enforce the laws, not to invent new ones!
The RCMP is continuing to pursue its own anti-gun agenda/program against law-abiding gun owners like myself, evidenced by recent events. The Swiss Arms Classic Green and Black Special rifles are about to be re-classified from non-restricted to prohibited by the RCMP.
Currently the RCMP Firearms lab has no oversight & their 'ruling' is final, no recourse is available to the law abiding owner. This is the first of several non-restricted firearms that they do not want citizens to own and are looking to prohibit.
The Swiss Arms Classic Green rifles have been for sale in Canada for the last 12 years as non- restricted, a classification that the RCMP firearms lab themselves approved!! Now they want to make criminals out of thousands of Canadian citizens that legally own these rifles without any ruling from parliament.
The RCMP has no excuse to prohibit the entire line of rifles, the ones we have here in Canada were manufactured as semi only. They have no grounds to ban all the Swiss Arms rifles as we have had these without incident in this Country for 12 years!
The RCMP have way too much power to just reclassify firearms at will and then ask for them to be turned in. We can protest if we like but it is going to cost us to go up against the Government's delegated lawmakers the RCMP. There should be a process of where the RCMP has to go to the government and state where their lab technicians went wrong in the first place and ask permission to reclassify firearms. Everyone makes mistakes, but after 12 years of sales to start an investigation that could turn everyone into paper criminals is ridiculous.
Reclassification of this rifle would indicate total incompetence of the RCMP Lab for issuing an FRT for this rifle in the first place. This property has been legally sold and owned for over a decade, and then against any evidence of full auto conversion occurring in the real world, the RCMP considers inventing a new law? This is unacceptable!!! Times need to change with the way the process is performed.
I am asking you to re-task the RCMP as an enforcer of Canadian law rather than a de facto maker of laws or regulations they choose to enforce or "interpret" as such. No more anti-gun crusades and unilateral reclassifications.
If you do nothing, my property along with thousands of other Canadians will be seized. The RCMP plans to make a final ruling (again who makes the laws here?) by June 30. If they get their way, confiscation of our legal property will follow.
Sincerely,
At the end of this month my property may be seized.
Who is in charge of making laws in this Country? Is it Parliament or is it the RCMP?
By the looks of things lately it is not parliament when it comes to the firearms act, it is clearly the RCMP. I was under the impression that their job is to enforce the laws, not to invent new ones!
The RCMP is continuing to pursue its own anti-gun agenda/program against law-abiding gun owners like myself, evidenced by recent events. The Swiss Arms Classic Green and Black Special rifles are about to be re-classified from non-restricted to prohibited by the RCMP.
Currently the RCMP Firearms lab has no oversight & their 'ruling' is final, no recourse is available to the law abiding owner. This is the first of several non-restricted firearms that they do not want citizens to own and are looking to prohibit.
The Swiss Arms Classic Green rifles have been for sale in Canada for the last 12 years as non- restricted, a classification that the RCMP firearms lab themselves approved!! Now they want to make criminals out of thousands of Canadian citizens that legally own these rifles without any ruling from parliament.
The RCMP has no excuse to prohibit the entire line of rifles, the ones we have here in Canada were manufactured as semi only. They have no grounds to ban all the Swiss Arms rifles as we have had these without incident in this Country for 12 years!
The RCMP have way too much power to just reclassify firearms at will and then ask for them to be turned in. We can protest if we like but it is going to cost us to go up against the Government's delegated lawmakers the RCMP. There should be a process of where the RCMP has to go to the government and state where their lab technicians went wrong in the first place and ask permission to reclassify firearms. Everyone makes mistakes, but after 12 years of sales to start an investigation that could turn everyone into paper criminals is ridiculous.
Reclassification of this rifle would indicate total incompetence of the RCMP Lab for issuing an FRT for this rifle in the first place. This property has been legally sold and owned for over a decade, and then against any evidence of full auto conversion occurring in the real world, the RCMP considers inventing a new law? This is unacceptable!!! Times need to change with the way the process is performed.
I am asking you to re-task the RCMP as an enforcer of Canadian law rather than a de facto maker of laws or regulations they choose to enforce or "interpret" as such. No more anti-gun crusades and unilateral reclassifications.
If you do nothing, my property along with thousands of other Canadians will be seized. The RCMP plans to make a final ruling (again who makes the laws here?) by June 30. If they get their way, confiscation of our legal property will follow.
Sincerely,
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Mind if i copy and paste that to my MP? I personally don't own one of these rifles, but want to support those that do....And also as a preventative for future circumstances that can occur such as this.
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Let's try to keep the facts that we know straight. The "spurious" Swiss Arms rifle that came from CSC and was submitted under suspicion by TSE turned out to not be a CA. Ironically, and to the detriment of long time SAN owners, the CA receivers were the ones submitted by TSE as reference samples of "proper" Swiss Arms rifles.
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That's how I read it as well. They have made their conclusions, and unless contrary data was supplied by the 30th they would "proceed with action to rectify errors created by erroneous information. "; in other words: re-classify the entire list.
After sorting through all the various posts and emails I also come away with the conclusion that the rifle CSC sold, which JR sent to the RCMP in an attempt to attack a competitor, was actually deemed to be purpose-built semi-auto; while the two control rifles which may or may not have been supplied by JR (I still can't figure that out) were deemed to be converted auto. Once JR initiated this investigation he was unable to control its direction and the RCMP is now mostly concerned with whether the entire SA lineage should be re-classified as prohibited variants.
Way to go team.
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Go ahead, like I said I borrowed alot of that as well. The more of us that write the better. Even if you don't own a Swiss, your Tavor, XCR, ect is next don't kid yourself. Let's flood their mailboxes with mail at least its productive.
My letter... To the PM, the Minister of Public Safety & the Minister of Justice...
Dear Right Honourable Prime Minister Stephen Harper;
It seems like just yesterday that my beautiful wife & I attended the 3rd vote in the House of Commons on February 15th, 2012 on Bill C-19, which removed the despised, expensive & USELESS Long Gun Registry. I must say that we still speak fondly of the private event you held afterwards for long time supporters. Your words proclaiming that the Trudeau era was over still rings hopeful in my ears, thank you again, on all fronts! Now, as for why I am writing you today, I would like to express my concern over recent developments at the RCMP’s Firearms Lab.
It has come to my attention that the FRT# has been pulled for the Swiss Arms family of firearms and the Kriss Vector. This action means that the legal transfer (sale) of these firearms is now on hold indefinitely, pending the ‘review’ underway at the RCMP’s Firearms Lab. It is important to note, both of these types of firearms have been legally owned in Canada for years with no issue.
Most importantly, is the fact that it is widely believed in the Shooting Sports Community, a community that overwhelmingly SUPPORTS the CPC of Canada, that there are many other legally owned firearms that the RCMP Lab intends to review. It is no secret that the RCMP would like to see the lawful civilian ownership of firearms in Canada drastically curtailed.
So, I would like to implore you to do the right thing while your Government has a majority in Parliament… Rewrite Canada’s Firearms Act from a FAIR and COMMON SENSE perspective!!! Remove the RCMP’s ability to arbitrarily reclassify firearms and confiscate property from law abiding citizens!!! Remove the arbitrary and burdensome magazine limitations & Authorizations To Transport. Re-examine Firearms Classifications, whereby firearms were routinely prohibited by looks or by being deemed a variant of another previously prohibited firearm, etc., etc., etc.
What we need Mr. Harper, is common sense Firearms Law in Canada! Law abiding citizens who own firearms, should not be subjected to impotent law that burdens them while neither preventing crime NOR impacting criminals in any way! I look forward to hearing from you.
I remain, a faithful Conservative supporter
Jay
Dear Right Honourable Prime Minister Stephen Harper;
It seems like just yesterday that my beautiful wife & I attended the 3rd vote in the House of Commons on February 15th, 2012 on Bill C-19, which removed the despised, expensive & USELESS Long Gun Registry. I must say that we still speak fondly of the private event you held afterwards for long time supporters. Your words proclaiming that the Trudeau era was over still rings hopeful in my ears, thank you again, on all fronts! Now, as for why I am writing you today, I would like to express my concern over recent developments at the RCMP’s Firearms Lab.
It has come to my attention that the FRT# has been pulled for the Swiss Arms family of firearms and the Kriss Vector. This action means that the legal transfer (sale) of these firearms is now on hold indefinitely, pending the ‘review’ underway at the RCMP’s Firearms Lab. It is important to note, both of these types of firearms have been legally owned in Canada for years with no issue.
Most importantly, is the fact that it is widely believed in the Shooting Sports Community, a community that overwhelmingly SUPPORTS the CPC of Canada, that there are many other legally owned firearms that the RCMP Lab intends to review. It is no secret that the RCMP would like to see the lawful civilian ownership of firearms in Canada drastically curtailed.
So, I would like to implore you to do the right thing while your Government has a majority in Parliament… Rewrite Canada’s Firearms Act from a FAIR and COMMON SENSE perspective!!! Remove the RCMP’s ability to arbitrarily reclassify firearms and confiscate property from law abiding citizens!!! Remove the arbitrary and burdensome magazine limitations & Authorizations To Transport. Re-examine Firearms Classifications, whereby firearms were routinely prohibited by looks or by being deemed a variant of another previously prohibited firearm, etc., etc., etc.
What we need Mr. Harper, is common sense Firearms Law in Canada! Law abiding citizens who own firearms, should not be subjected to impotent law that burdens them while neither preventing crime NOR impacting criminals in any way! I look forward to hearing from you.
I remain, a faithful Conservative supporter
Jay
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It appears I got some facts wrong in that post - I'll just link the TV-PressPass article I based my post on.
I stand by my position that blaming the businesses is pointless, regardless of the circumstances of how it came up.
If not CSC or TSE - this situation (or something like it) would eventually have come up somehow, somewhere else.
No.
Although we have long feared the RCMP has an agenda of incremental re-classification of semi-automatic sporting rifles to restricted or prohibited, this particular case was clearly initiated by JR of TSE. He claims his motives were pure but it's hard not to see this as an attempt to attack a competitor which got way out of hand. It's up to everyone involved now to work with SAN and the RCMP to deliver a strong case that the entire line of rifles should not be re-classified as prohibited variants; and to get to the bottom of any CA receivers that may have been mixed in with legitimate purpose-built non-restricted SA's.
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