Swiss Arms rifles being examined for reclassification?

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How are the C/A even relevant anymore? Who even cares? The 540/550 is all that matters now.
it's relevant because that is what started this whole witch hunt and it ended up backfiring on the guy who sent in the rifles for inspection because he sent two of his own that were C/A along with the S/A which he was claiming was a C/A.
 
The 540 and 550 are so close. It is like saying any variant of a 1996 Honda civic is illegal but a variant of a 1995 Honda civic is ok.

Also isn't it reasonable to assume that the improvements made to make the 550 could be made concurrently to make the classic green? Direct lineage is a assumption. In reality they could be two concurrent designs.

Actually they are not that close. There are significant differences between the 2.
 
it's relevant because that is what started this whole witch hunt and it ended up backfiring on the guy who sent in the rifles for inspection because he sent two of his own that were C/A along with the S/A which he was claiming was a C/A.

Exactly Brian. We would not be looking at a likely SAN ban had it not been for a single individuals actions.
 
I sure hope the fate Swiss Arms family does not rest on TSE trip to Switzerland to Indiana Jonesesque find said PE-90 blueprints in the SAN archives.
Then again I have faith that if there are said records the swiss would have kept them but then again I expect they would have been found by now and no need for a trans atlantic trip.
I would venture to guess the trip to switzerland is to discuss other things and is just a ploy to keep us happy. I would think Swiss arms amd the RCMP are comunicating directly rather than through a canadian retailer who started this whole ordeal or we are screwed
 
Well I can't tell the difference in the Hondas, but I do have significant time with a 540 :)

Oh great! So in your opinion the purpose-made, S/A PE90s we have are derived from the 540 or 550? Sorry if you've mentioned this before somewhere but would be very interested in your thoughts.
 
Exactly Brian. We would not be looking at a likely SAN ban had it not been for a single individuals actions.

I would like to know where these "control rifles" came from, If TSE is use to seeing them that way from their shipments and have thought they were S/A this whole time thiere is probably quite a few more of them.
 
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it's relevant because that is what started this whole witch hunt and it ended up backfiring on the guy who sent in the rifles for inspection because he sent two of his own that were C/A along with the S/A which he was claiming was a C/A.
Exactly Brian. We would not be looking at a likely SAN ban had it not been for a single individuals actions.

I think the lineage of Swiss Arms rifles would have come under further scrutiny by the RCMP regardless of the CA issue and the recent actions of TSE, so in that sense I don't see the CA issue as being relevant. Where I do consider the CA issue relevant is in understanding the interests and motives of the parties involved and how it affects my confidence in the ability of said parties to convince the RCMP that Swiss Arms rifles should maintain their status --- in this respect, I find the handling of the CA issue to be discouraging.
 
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I think the Swiss Arms rifles would have come under further scrutiny by the RCMP regardless of the CA issue and the recent actions of TSE, so in that sense I don't see the CA issue as being relevant to the immediate concern of establishing lineage. Where I do consider the CA issue relevant is in understanding the interests and motives of the parties involved and how it affects my confidence in the ability of said parties to convince the RCMP that Swiss Arms rifles should maintain their status --- in this respect, I find the furor around the CA issue to be discouraging.
do you really think the RCMP would have done anything if all the rifles that were sent to them for "inspection" were S/A?

Why would they ask for lineage to be established if all the rifles matched the original submission that was given 12 years or so ago when the FRT#'s were given?
 
a) FRT # 129006 - Swiss Arms Black Special Carbine
b) FRT # 119587 - Swiss Arms Black Special
c) FRT # 119482 - Swiss Arms Classic Green
d) FRT # 124216 - Swiss Arms Classic Green Carbine
e) FRT # 124218 - Swiss Arms Classic Green CQB
f) FRT # 119588 - Swiss Arms Heavy Metal
g) FRT # 119485 - Swiss Arms Red Devil
h) FRT # 119484 - Swiss Arms Edition[/I]
Is there any way to see how many of each are in country? I have looked for a Heavy metal for years and have been told by many people none were ever imported but then why the FRT#?
 
do you really think the RCMP would have done anything if all the rifles that were sent to them for "inspection" were S/A?

I think the RCMP would have eventually raised the question of whether the Classic Green was a variant of the SG 550 regardless of the recent inspections. I'll agree that the inspections likely brought the Swiss Arms rifles to the forefront of the RCMP's attention, but this would have happened regardless. Whether the question is raised now or in 2 or 3 years is immaterial unless you think the RCMP's judgement will be influenced by the number of Swiss Arms rifles on the street (and this could be argued) --- in the end, the importers and SAN were able to answer the question of lineage 12 years ago, and they should be able to answer it again now.
 
There was a civilian semi auto version of the 540 too.
Lineage proof could be as easy as comparing the trigger and safety mechanism of the these two rather than that of the military version of the 540 with the Safe, Semi Auto, Full Auto or even the three round burst kit.

If the trigger mech and safety of a SAF are ok, then the civilian semi auto 540 should be ok too.

For those of us who have enough of blame and recrimination, have you written to Vic Toews and your MP yet?
Please don't forget to CC the PM.
Me, I am going to CC MP Chris Alexander, that might get the CPC thinking a bit about what a few gun votes and a little sportsmens working together can accomplish.
Small seat swing votes in Ontario is what put them in place today.
 
I think the RCMP would have eventually raised the question of whether the Classic Green was a variant of the SG 550 regardless of the recent inspections. I'll agree that the inspections likely brought the Swiss Arms rifles to the forefront of the RCMP's attention, but this would have happened regardless. Whether the question is raised now or in 2 or 3 years is immaterial unless you think the RCMP's judgement will be influenced by the number of Swiss Arms rifles on the street (and this could be argued) --- in the end, the importers and SAN were able to answer the question of lineage 12 years ago, and they should be able to answer it again now.
what would have happened is entirely speculation, what did happen is a direct result of those rifles being sent to them by TSE and their own control samples being claimed as C/A by the RCMP, that fact can not be argued.
 
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