sure they do, now whether they will actually deal with any compensation is a different story. Let's not forget the semi auto barretts.
Swiss Arms rifles being examined for reclassification?
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sure they do, now whether they will actually deal with any compensation is a different story. Let's not forget the semi auto barretts.
beavis_m305
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If it turns to #### can you guys at least export some of them to spare them from destruction?
If anyone is looking to explore that option they must start the process now. Once prohibited a firearm can't be legally exported from the country.
Probably ship it to syria to "support" the rebels.
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Problem with that obviously is that at the time, the retailers and importers did nothing wrong. It was the RCMP who decided to apply or change their interpretation of the statutes after the guns were sold. If anything, a class action against the RCMP would be the only route in my mind... And I am not even sure that would be possible.
Can we organize a protest in Ottawa? I think just speaking here or sending emails to MP has very minimum effect. And so far I do not see CSSA doing anything yet. It would be better to protest now than after being prohibited. As least if we bring the issue up now we put the RCMP more pressure and we may get better compensated if the firearm really get prohibited.
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Why? What are you going to do with the rest of the parts? There will be no market for anything from the rifle. I understand the idea of making sure that they don't become the tactical units fancy new toys but you are still out $3500 even if you have a nice bag of parts sitting in the basement. I'd rather bend the barrel around 180 degrees before handing them over and stick a note to it saying "shoots great, enjoy
"As a classic green flat top owner I hope it doesn't but if this goes the wrong way for us I would like to know if TSE or CSC are going to buy all our rifles back at full retail including the cost of magazines and then deal with turning them in to the RCMP themselves. I think that would be the best way they could take care of their customers. I have dealt with both as a retail customer and have never had a problem with either store. I am very disappointed with the behavior of TSE as this could of and should have been handled differently but I know my money is going to keep flowing to the retailer that offers to buy my Swiss Arms rifle and accessories from me for retail value. I would be ok with a store credit for the amount as well but if I get hung out to dry and lose my investment over this neither one of them will ever see another dime of my hard earned cash.
I don't really blame either one of them for the situation as I think they were imported honestly and maybe somewhere along the line a couple C/A receivers slipped through the cracks and made it into circulation. I think the way TSE went about this was wrong but if there really were C/A versions out there it needed to be addressed and corrected. They were already in the sights of the RCMP and this only pushed them to the front of the line. The question now is are they going to stand behind us to keep our business?
CSC or TSE want to trade my beautiful mint condition Swiss CG flat top with 9 DA 5/30 mags (4 black, 2 brown, and 3 clear) for a nice new ACR with non restricted barrel?
Good luck to us all, I'm afraid this is only the beginning.
Get writing.
Protection of property rights against 'legalized theft'.
An immediate 'Cease and Desist Order', against the RCMP form further gun bans by incremental reclassification.
Removal of the SIG550 from the prohibited list by OiC. That would make all this mute.
Remove the ability to reclassify firearms.
Make any confiscation due to reclassification be compensated from out of the RCMP budget.
Grant an appeal process against decisions of the RCMP Forensic Lab.
Seek the advice of CSSA and NFA in regards to simplifying the firearms act.
Protection of property rights against 'legalized theft'.
An immediate 'Cease and Desist Order', against the RCMP form further gun bans by incremental reclassification.
Removal of the SIG550 from the prohibited list by OiC. That would make all this mute.
Remove the ability to reclassify firearms.
Make any confiscation due to reclassification be compensated from out of the RCMP budget.
Grant an appeal process against decisions of the RCMP Forensic Lab.
Seek the advice of CSSA and NFA in regards to simplifying the firearms act.
stickhunter
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I don't see how the RCMP can be considered to have changed their interpretation of the statutes. From what I understand, the RCMP based their original classification solely on statements made by the importer and/or SAN that the Swiss Arms family of rifles that were being imported to Canada were derived from the SG 540 (and presumably not the SG 550). The decision to classify the rifles as non-restricted or restricted (based on barrel length) was consistent with the information provided. At the time of the original import, the RCMP did not physically examine the rifles prior to issuing the FRT #'s. Their policy has now changed to require such an examination, and based on this, they strongly suspect that the Swiss Arms rifles are actually variants of the SG 550 --- they are now asking the importer/SAN to provide evidence to the contrary.
Should June 30 come-and-go without such evidence being provided, then I think that either the importer or SAN has to be responsible for misrepresenting the Swiss Arms rifles. I suspect that any misrepresentation was not intentional, but the result is the same none-the-less... the RCMP are simply acting on the most accurate information that they have available. The result doesn't make me happy, and you can point fingers and ask whether the RCMP did their due diligence when the rifles first entered the country, but in the end, I think it's just one big cluster #####.
stickhunter
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Great advice. I'm writing my letters today and will post them in the Action forum. We're going to continue to be flung around at the whim of the RCMP Firearms Lab until the Firearms Act is amended to provide clearer and more sensible boundaries. I also think it's important to get this issue in front of the legislators before the RCMP finalizes their decision --- if any pressure can be applied, it is best done before an announcement is made.
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Instead of complaining here, contact your MP, Vic Toews and the PM. Contacting Gary B., Candice H, Cheryl G. wouldn't hurt either.
Write to them, follow up with a phone call.
Join the CSSA and NFA if you have not already done so.
Make a donation above and beyond the membership.
Write to them, follow up with a phone call.
Join the CSSA and NFA if you have not already done so.
Make a donation above and beyond the membership.
Tell me if I am too bitter?
The Honourable Vic Toews, Minister of Public Safety
Sir,
I write to you about the current attempt by the RCMP to reclassify multiple firearms. This has greatly come to the fore in their attempt to reclassify the family of firearms known as the Swiss Arms Rifles.
This appears for what it is, as a political backlash against the Government for having removed the long gun registry and an attempt to ban everything incrementally. I ask that a number of things be implemented in order to save the firearms community from these outlandish behaviours.
We need an immediate grant of property rights to protect us against this ‘legalized theft’ of confiscation without compensation.
Why will I face three years in prison tomorrow for what was legal today because of some technicians’ decision?
I never realized that taking some firearms course found in a matchbook cover would make someone more powerful than Parliament.
The RCMP need to be ordered to immediately cease and desist from further attempts at reclassification of firearms.
Remove the SIG 550 rifle from the prohibited category by an Order In Council.
This would make all attempts to prohibit the Swiss Arms family of firearms mute, at no cost , while protecting against changing the classification.
Remove the ability to reclassify a firearm after classification has been granted.
The RCMP Forensic Lab has to do the job right the first time.
If they err, why is the public punished for their mistake twelve years after the fact?
An error has to either be lived with or admitted and held accountable.
Remove the ability to reclassify firearms.
This technicality is going to be used for no other purpose than political embarrassment.
Should reclassification result in confiscation, then the funding should come out of the budget of the RCMP.
That might make them approach this more judiciously should they know that they will be paying for it.
The RCMP Forensic Lab has to have an Appeal Process granted against a decision.
A person need not wait until charged and before the court in order to challenge something.
The current Firearms Act is a byzantine work that grants law making powers to technicians.
Seek the advice of the National Firearms Association and the Canadian Sports Shooters Association in order to update and simplify the Act.
While compensation is necessary for any reclassification, the cost is enormous.
For the Swiss Arms family of firearms alone it will be approximately $4, 000,000 for the firearms alone never mind the parts that went along with the firearms would be another equal amount.
This does not include mailings, notices, legal costs, training updates and man hours. Easily this could be triple the cost.
More importantly, the entire attempt at reclassifying the Swiss Arms family of firearms is a political slap in the face against the Government in that it will be used as ammunition by the RCMP as another reason to retain the long gun registry.
I can hear the complaints already, “If only the long gun registry were still around, we could locate all these non-restricted and newly prohibited dangers to society”. (Insert commercial funded by the BQ of someone buying a $4,000 rifle intending to rob a corner store of fourty dollars in cigarettes and chewing gum.)
While I look forward to being Grandfathered into some new holder of a Prohibited Category on my Possession and Acquisition License, I am not sure if that is either wise, feasible or without cost.
The RCMP is a para-military force with a chain of command and need be held accountable.
Sincerely,
LG
CC The Right Honourable Stephen Harper
CC MP Chris Alexander
Chris Alexander is not my MP, but I hope that CCing him will get the point across that each vote adds up.
The Honourable Vic Toews, Minister of Public Safety
Sir,
I write to you about the current attempt by the RCMP to reclassify multiple firearms. This has greatly come to the fore in their attempt to reclassify the family of firearms known as the Swiss Arms Rifles.
This appears for what it is, as a political backlash against the Government for having removed the long gun registry and an attempt to ban everything incrementally. I ask that a number of things be implemented in order to save the firearms community from these outlandish behaviours.
We need an immediate grant of property rights to protect us against this ‘legalized theft’ of confiscation without compensation.
Why will I face three years in prison tomorrow for what was legal today because of some technicians’ decision?
I never realized that taking some firearms course found in a matchbook cover would make someone more powerful than Parliament.
The RCMP need to be ordered to immediately cease and desist from further attempts at reclassification of firearms.
Remove the SIG 550 rifle from the prohibited category by an Order In Council.
This would make all attempts to prohibit the Swiss Arms family of firearms mute, at no cost , while protecting against changing the classification.
Remove the ability to reclassify a firearm after classification has been granted.
The RCMP Forensic Lab has to do the job right the first time.
If they err, why is the public punished for their mistake twelve years after the fact?
An error has to either be lived with or admitted and held accountable.
Remove the ability to reclassify firearms.
This technicality is going to be used for no other purpose than political embarrassment.
Should reclassification result in confiscation, then the funding should come out of the budget of the RCMP.
That might make them approach this more judiciously should they know that they will be paying for it.
The RCMP Forensic Lab has to have an Appeal Process granted against a decision.
A person need not wait until charged and before the court in order to challenge something.
The current Firearms Act is a byzantine work that grants law making powers to technicians.
Seek the advice of the National Firearms Association and the Canadian Sports Shooters Association in order to update and simplify the Act.
While compensation is necessary for any reclassification, the cost is enormous.
For the Swiss Arms family of firearms alone it will be approximately $4, 000,000 for the firearms alone never mind the parts that went along with the firearms would be another equal amount.
This does not include mailings, notices, legal costs, training updates and man hours. Easily this could be triple the cost.
More importantly, the entire attempt at reclassifying the Swiss Arms family of firearms is a political slap in the face against the Government in that it will be used as ammunition by the RCMP as another reason to retain the long gun registry.
I can hear the complaints already, “If only the long gun registry were still around, we could locate all these non-restricted and newly prohibited dangers to society”. (Insert commercial funded by the BQ of someone buying a $4,000 rifle intending to rob a corner store of fourty dollars in cigarettes and chewing gum.)
While I look forward to being Grandfathered into some new holder of a Prohibited Category on my Possession and Acquisition License, I am not sure if that is either wise, feasible or without cost.
The RCMP is a para-military force with a chain of command and need be held accountable.
Sincerely,
LG
CC The Right Honourable Stephen Harper
CC MP Chris Alexander
Chris Alexander is not my MP, but I hope that CCing him will get the point across that each vote adds up.
Unless we band together we will be stuck with nothing but single shot .22's in no time.
Sadly, I don't think there is a catalyst large enough for us to get off our asses and support the NFA/CSSA and go to court individually if neccissary.
Funny, legal gun owners seem the most predisposed to avoid conflict despite what the libtards and socialists think of us.
Sadly, I don't think there is a catalyst large enough for us to get off our asses and support the NFA/CSSA and go to court individually if neccissary.
Funny, legal gun owners seem the most predisposed to avoid conflict despite what the libtards and socialists think of us.
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