Ross custom target build

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Not quite sure if im in the right part of the forum for this but here we go.

At the moment I own a very comon m10 sporter ross that has had a hard life. What I and a friend would like to do is strip it down to the action add a match type barrel, do a trigger job and build a target stock, and finish by adding a scope.

The goal of this build would be to build a rifle which would perform at ranges between 600m to possibly 1000m

We are debating maybe using a wildcat catridge or try convert it to a different caliber without the need to modify the bolt much

Has anyone else build target rifles with ross actions?

Ps. this rifle is already butchered before I get flamed by purists

Thank you
 
Small added note on above.

I have searched the vastness of the internet for some info on this and have found nothing which leaves me to believe that people are to afraid to attempt a project like that.

I have also read that kreiger can possibly make a barrel to match the ross's large barrel contour
 
Sounds cool...I love the Rosses.

I am no help to you but I'd love to see some pics of your progress once you get started. I wonder if you could chamber it for the Ross .280 cartridge? It was apparently a very good performing cartridge out to 1000yds. Don't know if it would be an easy conversion or not.

There is a fellow who hangs out in Milsurp that might be able to help you with information named Smellie. Another chap that knows his Rosses goes by the handle of Buffdog.
 
Sounds cool...I love the Rosses.

I am no help to you but I'd love to see some pics of your progress once you get started. I wonder if you could chamber it for the Ross .280 cartridge? It was apparently a very good performing cartridge out to 1000yds. Don't know if it would be an easy conversion or not.

There is a fellow who hangs out in Milsurp that might be able to help you with information named Smellie. Another chap that knows his Rosses goes by the handle of Buffdog.

Once Ive done all my homework and figured a plan of action il keep posted the pics.
Throwing this thread in the milsurp will be a last resort in the quest for more info. So that im burned to the stake by the purist... even tho its already bubbaed go figure. Lol
 
Not sure why it's not done very often.
I have one done by E Campbell in NS, it was built as a prone gun in 308 win.
I would like to do a 1905 action in a sub 30 caliber, 6 or 6.5 maybe.
 
No reason why you couldn't make a very good shooting rifle, that would be quite out of the ordinary.

Four areas to think through:

- what trigger will you use? (existing trigger, possibly tuned up? Are there any aftermarket triggers available?)

- how will you mount your sights? (work through how you are going to mount your iron sights or your scope)

- Stock/bedding. The stock is no problem, the question here is how/whether you'll get a nice interface between the action and the stock

- calibre. A lot of good reasons to go with a .308 Win (common as dirt, easy to get to shoot well). Dunno if this would be a minor, medium or larger-sized job to do w.r.t. the extractor and ejector. A romantic approach would be to chamber it in .280 Ross, a practical problem there is that it used nonstandard diameter bullets. You could chamber it in a 7mm variant, i.e. a .280 Ross but on a conventional .284" barrel
 
A shooter from the BC Coast built himself a target rifle on a Ross action just because he could. If you PM me I cab ask him if I can share his contact info for you.
 
I have this thread also running in milsurp.

So far ive pretty much decided to want my ross in 7mm Rem Mag. The bolt requires no mods for the conversion and should function right with the mag.

But what im unsure at the moment would be the proper length and twist rate for the barrel for my needs.

Would anyone know of a reference with the trajectory info for bullet weight and barrel length
 
I seem to remember that many years ago the Russians used Ross actions for one or another of the Olympic events (Running target?)
Good luck with your project: hope it inspires others to appreciate a home grown rifle!
 
I have this thread also running in milsurp.

So far ive pretty much decided to want my ross in 7mm Rem Mag. The bolt requires no mods for the conversion and should function right with the mag.

That would be a good reason to go with a 7mm Rem Mag.

I would think that 7mm RemMag would *not* feed from the magazine very well, if at all; there's an enormous difference in case taper between it and the .280 Ross (or .303 Brit - not sure which round your rifle was built for).

However, most target rifles are built without a magazine. It's simpler that way. You put a round in the loading port, close your bolt, shoot, extract the empty, put another round in, shoot it, etc.

Are you looking to build a target rifle that would (or could) be used in competitions, and be competitive? Or do you just want a nice accurate fun long range plinker?

A few more reasons in favour of 7mm Rem Mag:
- it's a very high performance cartridge. With the right bullets (i.e. hpbt match bullets like the 168 Sierra or the Berger 180) it will perform very well at 1000m and beyond.


A few reasons against the 7mm Rem Mag:
- it's a very powerful cartridge. Even if you build your rifle to be 15# or 18# in its shootable configuration, there will be a LOT of recoil. Not that it will hurt you, it won't; rather, it will be enough recoil that it will be *very* difficult for you to shoot the rifle extremely well. A 15# .308Win is challenging enough; it takes some people (cough cough yours truly cough) *YEARS* to get over bad habits like flinching. And regardless of recoil levels it will also have a LOT of muzzle blast, which makes it more difficult (mentally speaking) to truly excel in your shooting of it.
- being extremely high performance, you'll see a decline in your accuracy after 1000 rounds or so. This might not necessarily matter, but it should be understood.
- if you ever do want to try it in formal or informal competitions (and I highly suggest you come out with us and give it a go!), you'll find very few fellow competitors with similarly-chambered rifles (just about everybody else shoots 223 or 308). Of course we'll welcome you and have you shoot with us, but you might find it more rewarding and meaningful to be shooting a .308



But what im unsure at the moment would be the proper length and twist rate for the barrel for my needs.

Would anyone know of a reference with the trajectory info for bullet weight and barrel length

For target rifle shooting, trajectory isn't terribly important. What we're after is heavy, sleek bullets that retain their velocity well and get blown around by the wind as little as possible.

When building up a target rifle, you generally choose which bullet or classes of bullets you'd like to shoot (for example, I might want to shoot 155 grain match bullets in my .308; you might choose 180-class target bullets for your 7mm Rem Mag). From that you determine the twist rate needed (either from tables from the bullet manufacturers or barrel makers, or various formulas ("Greenhill") or calculators (JBM Ballistics has a "Miller stability formula").

You choose a barrel length and profile suitable for your needs. Oftentimes we choose as long a barrel as possible, typically 30", just so we can get every reasonable bit of velocity possible (cons are that you need a longer gun case, longer barrels put more bending load on your receiver, and longer barrels are floppier). You choose a barrel thickness related to your weight target. A non-223/308 F-Class target rifle has a weight limit of 10kg/22#, so people tend to choose particularly heavy barrel profiles and heavy stocks, in order to get to this weight budget in a way that gives you an accurate and easily-shootable rifle. A 223/308 F-Class rifle is limited to 8.25kg, so you need to be more careful in your barrel choice - depending on whether you choose a light or a heavy bipod, or a light or a heavy scope, you might need to get a medium-weight barrel instead of a super heavy weight barrel profile.
 
Im hoping to make it a "semi" informal competitive. In the end it will probably be more fun plinker for long distances.

There must be some thing that can be done about the "bad recoil" a heavy stock with a good pad and overall weight of the platform can usualy keep it to a minimum cant it?
 
I'm starting a project on a Lee Enfield No.4 which I'm re-barreling to 32-40 Winchester for
a plinker as well.

Doing up a Ross in some funky or old classic is a neat idea because there's not many out there.
The main thing to watch out for is how expensive it can get for machining costs depending on
who does the work.
Good luck with your project.;)
 
From what ive seen so far the most expensive part will be the stock, and sight base because those will have to be custom fabricated or very modified. The rest are assumed cost of a custom rifle build. Ex. Scope, barrel and accessories
 
Im hoping to make it a "semi" informal competitive. In the end it will probably be more fun plinker for long distances.

There must be some thing that can be done about the "bad recoil" a heavy stock with a good pad and overall weight of the platform can usualy keep it to a minimum cant it?

A 15-20# 7mmRemMag is a completely different beast from a hunting-weight rifle in the same calibre; *far* more civilized and shootable, to be sure.

For serious target shooting purposes, a 15# 7mmRemMag is more difficult to shoot perfectly than a 15# .308Win. That's not to say that either rifle will hurt you with recoil - neither will. But if you want to shoot fifty shots in a day, and have shot #48, #49 and #50 delivered with near-perfection, a 7mmRemMag is going to require more mental concentration and focus to do so. That's all I was getting at.

As a fun plinker for long range shooting, it'll be great.
 
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