Tracking Point - A good idea or a crutch

Please read that article as I am only paraphrasing.... and I don't have the article in front of me.

The author commented he hit the gong twice in a row.... did he say how many times he fired at said target?

Never did say where those 2 shots grouped.

I did like his comparison to the Burris rangefinding scope though....

Jerry
 
I have a few thoughts on this that I will share.

Though I'm not personally excited about this product and like Jerry prefer to actually learn how to do something for myself I believe this sort of technology will become the future. The pattern has already begun. New product/tech comes out, everybody poo poo's it, product/tect develops and overcomes original flaws and finally becomes excepted into the main stream. I bet when the first scopes were made, all the marksmen of the time laughed at the idea. "glass specs on the field, what happens if you drop the dam thing. Learn to shoot with sites like a proper marksman". You know it was probably said. Now optics are mainstream just like this will be.

Electronic optics, sans computer, are already in millitary service today. What different is having a computer in your scope as to an LED? There both solid state semiconductors. The military is already reliant on electronics. This shooting system is no different. If this system can help a standard riflemen hit long range targets without the having to be trained as a sniper, I bet the military would be all over that providing the system is made to be reliable.

I would like to see how accurate this system is right now. I would love to see some 5 shot groups from this thing vs 5 shot groups from a precision shooter. Put this thing to the test. finally, no matter how good a ballistics calculator is, its still a calculator. Bad data = bad results. If you can't judge the wind, this thing won't be any good. However, I wouldn't be surprised if future technology finds a way to do this for us.

In the end, if this system costed $200 instead of $20,000, I still wouldn't buy it. Even though I haven't really been doing any shooting, whats the point of buying a device that takes the skill out of shooting? The whole challange of precisiosn shooting is to learn how to shoot by your own skill and knowledge.
 
Very well said. No magic diet pill!!
Mystic Precision said:
For $20K, shoot up that many barrels and you will be miles ahead in skill. I bet after $500 of ACTUAL shooting, you will see what a silly idea this is.

for $20K, I will put you behind a quality rifle, match ammo, a great scope and dial the turrents for you. After 4 days, you will know a heck of a lot.

For $20K, it cannot read the air thus cannot offer a complete firing solution. That is a real expensive range finder. But don't dispair, the IDF IS working on one that will.

As a nanny device, it ensures, the aiming point and the target coincide before it will allow the gun to discharge. BAD IDEA for one. A firearm discharging whenever it decides it should - that'll prove very interesting.

Worst part, if I need to compensate for the wind, I MUST aim off target. Now the system locks up and you have a complete mission failure.

Hooking up to an IPAD... I know social media is all the rage and MANY under 30 thrive in a world of many opinions and electronic friends.

Sorry, the last thing I need nor want is a decision by committee when pulling the trigger (IF I am allowed to pull the trigger).

Shooting by nature is a solitary sport. Learn the skills.... MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS.

YMMV.

Jerry
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Gobc said:
I have a few thoughts on this that I will share.

Though I'm not personally excited about this product and like Jerry prefer to actually learn how to do something for myself I believe this sort of technology will become the future. The pattern has already begun. New product/tech comes out, everybody poo poo's it, product/tect develops and overcomes original flaws and finally becomes excepted into the main stream. I bet when the first scopes were made, all the marksmen of the time laughed at the idea. "glass specs on the field, what happens if you drop the dam thing. Learn to shoot with sites like a proper marksman". You know it was probably said. Now optics are mainstream just like this will be.

Electronic optics, sans computer, are already in millitary service today. What different is having a computer in your scope as to an LED? There both solid state semiconductors. The military is already reliant on electronics. This shooting system is no different. If this system can help a standard riflemen hit long range targets without the having to be trained as a sniper, I bet the military would be all over that providing the system is made to be reliable.

I would like to see how accurate this system is right now. I would love to see some 5 shot groups from this thing vs 5 shot groups from a precision shooter. Put this thing to the test. finally, no matter how good a ballistics calculator is, its still a calculator. Bad data = bad results. If you can't judge the wind, this thing won't be any good. However, I wouldn't be surprised if future technology finds a way to do this for us.

In the end, if this system costed $200 instead of $20,000, I still wouldn't buy it. Even though I haven't really been doing any shooting, whats the point of buying a device that takes the skill out of shooting? The whole challange of precisiosn shooting is to learn how to shoot by your own skill and knowledge.
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ABS brakes and air bags (other safety features) have made cars safer to drive under duress. But new infotainment systems that tells drivers jokes or help them find the closest cup of low fat, soya, latte made with organic beans IS NOT making a better car.

The whole point of my yapping is that this, and other similar devices, DO NOT IMPROVE the ability to hit at LR. They take a complicated process, dumb it down, make compromises and do not allow for the most important info to be figured out... WIND.

Ballistics adjustments already exist in products costing vastly less money

If the designers felt that adding a kestrel wind reading on 1 side of a valley ensured 100% wind solution across large distances, they don't shoot much.

Not being able to hold off for the wind is nonsensical. Worst, having a machine dicatating when it will allow the user to operate is insanity. Just imagine how many antigun hackers are working on being able to send a virus to crash this system.

So by design, the scope FAILS. It cannot offer a complete firing solution and if paired with inexperienced shooters, you end up with a system that is more like the blind leading the dumb.

Then the designers have the arrogance to imply that the actual physical process of firing a rifle is of no consequence. As long as the X and dot conincide, HOW the rifle actually goes bang will have no affect on the bullets flight. WOW, hope they don't start designing cars or airplanes.

Lots of buzz words, fancy marketing but it ignores the very basic fundementals of creating an accurate firing solution at LR. Sort of a like a fancy schmancy car that doesn't include the tires.

Will such tech eventually get to the field.... YES. IDF is working on a similar device AND it will measure wind vectors. Right now, it is basic but at least it tries. In time, that will improve and allow a true firing solution to be generated. But likely then, it will not matter cause the bullet would only need to follow the designator beam.

There is nothing "better" with this tracking point system. It brings nothing that actually helps to improve the process. Smoke and mirrors is about it

Best thing for them to do, grab generic joe public and see if they can put lead on target. No training, no experience, never fired a rifle.

Just sit down, line up the dots, score hits....

That would be fun to watch....

Jerry
 
You should really take a step back and see how foolish you look to be nitpicking this gun.



Does a man need it ? No

Does a man want it ? Yes
 
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I think there could have been something fun and marketable if they just did a good scope with range finding and automatic elevation adjustment and focus built in(adjustable with your ballistics), and let the shooter worry about windage, maybe good mil-dot reticule or something and still have the manual knobs to over-ride and use as a regular rifle, none of that electronic trigger and crap and "painting the target". If anyone can't just bolt it to any rifle, plus it risks malfunction and dead batteries, wasted time and what not, its pretty useless. Having a scope that allows you to span from 50yard to a 1000+ without having to touch it for focus and elevation, ideally also magnification, now that could be pretty cool, but probably still too bulky at this time.
 
Tikka6xc said:
You should really take a step back and see how foolish you look to be nitpicking this gun.



Does a man need it ? No

Does a man want it ? Yes
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I think the Owner would feel even more foolish purchasing a 6 figure car then upon delivery, discovering BRAKES were not parts of the design so that they could save some weight.


I love tech and likely spend more time mucking about with "silly" ideas as anyone. I think new ideas and innovation ARE the lifeblood of this sport

But there is a difference between new and flavor of the moment.

Many LR systems today lean heavily on the lack of experience and knowlege of the end user to generate sales at very elevated prices. These customers, on occasion, actually try and use their stuff and many times gravely dissappointed.

Case in point, shooter buys a full on custom rifle, scope with funcky turret, "tuned" ammo - I mean the full meal deal. All tested and proven to work to meet customer specs.

Well, I meet him and his friend sighting in one day. Typical new shooter, had a bit of problem getting it on target and such - I guess the sight in from the builder wasn't quite on target as suggested. Helped out, a few shots later, nicely centered then adjusted for their first turrent comeup. We got to chatting and he explained this new rig and how it was a god send given his lack of time to develop the load and test and get things dialed in. Now, he was ready for a big hunt up north where they were going to reach out to no more then 600yds cause beyond that, it could be hard to hit and that would be unethical.

Ummmmm, gotta open my big mouth: Say there is that big boulder over there on the side of that hill. give it a shot. Boulder about 2ft across... Hill, well under hunters range limit.

He ranged the rock, moved the turret, got behind the rifle, kaboom - no hit. Tried again, and again, no hit. WTF?????

Scope didn't track, and when we got it close, the dial didn't match the yardage and on it went.

Let's just say, hunter was none too impressed and very concerned as he was leaving 3 days later. I sure hope he took my advice and kept to within his point blank range of his chambering.

Want - Yes, bought and paid for - yes, got what he thought/wanted/expected - Not even close. He bought the SIZZLE and is now chocking on a rather tough hunk of leather.

Tell me how this improves the sport and shooting tech?

The marketing of the Track Point goes above and beyond selling how tech will solve all. It goes to great length to explain how it does it all and ensure ANYONE can be a 1000yds shot with no experience. The simple fact that the most basic of core needs are either ignored or made impossible, has to be a concern.

Even companies like Ferrari and Lamboughini aren't stupid enough to suggest ANY driver can take their machine to top speeds. Can their machine hit their performance levels - in the right hands and in the right circumstances, YES.

Anyone and anywhere? Not a hope.

See the difference......

Jerry
 
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