Possible CZ 858 reclassification?

[MET]

Why? Mr. Wolverine's explanation that he posted in here yesterday wasn't good enough?

Sorry bud, I must have missed his reply, I will scroll back through.

Wow, I found his replies, that is some serious storage $$$, hopefully we can all dig in and help those who put there necks out like this!

 

[huntermb]

As long as I have known him (and it's a long time) Mr. Wolverine has always been fighting the good fight for us gunnies that are out there.

 

[mike shickele]

Why can gun owners not take action against the RCMP for stripping us of our rights and property?
Mike

 

[Dyspnea]

Why can gun owners not take action against the RCMP for stripping us of our rights and property?
Mike

The government says you have no property rights.

 

[Bentleg]

From the RCMP's standpoint they are simply doing their duty. 1. to enforce the law as it is written, employing all tools at their disposal. 2. trying to enhance public safety. 3. working towards total disarmament of the population. Which in their view is all within their mandate.

What we need to work towards is changing that mandate by removing the governance of the administration of the regulations from the hands of police and place it in the hands of a civillian service oriented agency. The job of this agency should be to administer the regulations as they are written, and to not "interprit" then in the light of competing mandates.

Placing administration of regulation, licensing and authorizations in the hands of a institution whos desire is to not issue licenses or authorizations and to work for more regulation is bound to result in administrative foot dragging, and institutional inefficiencies. and regulatory ant f**king that serves thier desires but serves no other stakeholders, neither the taxpayers who fund the work nor the license holders who need the services.

 

[pavmentsurfer]

I disagree... after reading some very interesting posts in the legalities forum it has become clear that a civilian organization is not the real answer and may cause more problems than it solves.

The real answer is to have the firearms act re-written with common sense rules that are CLEARLY defined. If this was the case, the RCMP would have no grounds to "fiddle" with things. As it is now, the act is so vague they can interpret it however they see fit and for whatever serves their purpose.

A re-write of the firearms act that gives legal and responsible firearms enthusiasts the freedom to enjoy this sport safely and without unnecessary restrictions is the only true "answer".

 

[superlative]

I think you have to take a step back. There is no "case" with the CZ at the moment. There is with the Swiss Arms and with the Kriss Vector - as in previous cases, the FRT# for those two have been pulled and they have been flagged as "under review". No such action has taken place with the CZ. Several vendors have reported that there is no change in the status of the FRT# for the CZ 858.

That's what I'm asking: what has happened in the past? How long did it take for them to investigate the SAN, and then revoke the FRT? Can we extrapolate that from the date of the secret memo and apply (roughly) the same idea with the CZ 858? In other words, if X months have passed then we might reasonably assume that perhaps the CZ 858 WON'T be reclassified? If say, the investigation into the SAN started years before the CZ 858, then we could extrapolate that we aren't out of the woods yet with the CZ 858 (ie. it might still happen in the future).

 

[GunNut442]

From the RCMP's standpoint they are simply doing their duty. 1. to enforce the law as it is written, employing all tools at their disposal. 2. trying to enhance public safety. 3. working towards total disarmament of the population. Which in their view is all within their mandate.

What we need to work towards is changing that mandate by removing the governance of the administration of the regulations from the hands of police and place it in the hands of a civillian service oriented agency. The job of this agency should be to administer the regulations as they are written, and to not "interprit" then in the light of competing mandates.

Placing administration of regulation, licensing and authorizations in the hands of a institution whos desire is to not issue licenses or authorizations and to work for more regulation is bound to result in administrative foot dragging, and institutional inefficiencies. and regulatory ant f**king that serves thier desires but serves no other stakeholders, neither the taxpayers who fund the work nor the license holders who need the services.

Quoted for truth.

Just Sayin..........

 

[st1264]

So are we going to see a big frenzy in buying or a sell-off? Are restricted vz58 family rifles still being transferred?

 

[VanIsler]

I don't believe that the FRT # has been pulled for Swiss Arms rifles...yet. They RCMP have advised the importer not to bring any more in.

Mr. Wolverine promised he would burn his store records before handing them in to the authorities in support of a confiscation program. I hope he truly is a man of his word if things play out as the RCMP wish. Actions speak louder than words.

 

[Mantis]

That's what I'm asking: what has happened in the past? How long did it take for them to investigate the SAN, and then revoke the FRT? Can we extrapolate that from the date of the secret memo and apply (roughly) the same idea with the CZ 858? In other words, if X months have passed then we might reasonably assume that perhaps the CZ 858 WON'T be reclassified? If say, the investigation into the SAN started years before the CZ 858, then we could extrapolate that we aren't out of the woods yet with the CZ 858 (ie. it might still happen in the future).

All that secret memo says about the CZ-858 is that an argument could be made for prohibiting it. Logically, that means that they are saying it is a "scary AK like rifle" and should be prohibited by name, not that there is some legal reason for prohibiting it. That the rifles left the factory as semi-auto rifles has already been verified by the manufacturer at the time they rifles were imported.

 

[VanIsler]

The secret memo as also been redacted to death. Who knows what those #######s are truly coming up with. They probably omitted all the stuff that shoots holes in their arguments.

 

[superlative]

The secret memo as also been redacted to death. Who knows what those #######s are truly coming up with. They probably omitted all the stuff that shoots holes in their arguments.

I hope you and Mantis are right. It's hard to discern the truth from the hearsay. The only thing that has proven reliable is the RCMP's disposition toward banning guns on meaningless technicalities and pure nonsense. I appreciate that the memo doesn't have any substance in the wording, but that hasn't deterred the RCMP in the past from the ban hammer.

 

[Sargeant Slaughter]

The government says you have no property rights.

As I remember the NDP got the Lib's to take that out of the constitution before they would agree to the repatriation of it . The socialist ideal is that no ones owns property , it's all for the common good . As to what happened in the past just ask me . A $150,000 worth of firearms waiting in gun safes to meet the grinder . As somebody mentioned earlier , didn't cost the government a dime . Take a look at the educrats too .....punishing kids who even draw guns . Social engineering at its finest .

 

[Yukon1911]

The government says you have no property rights.

Can this be explained further? If I don't have rights to my property, then who does? How could the government have rights to my property, but I get to pay for it! What about liability for that property? Are they offering to pay morgtages and insurance for the right to my house??

 

[Sargeant Slaughter]

Can this be explained further? If I don't have rights to my property, then who does? How could the government have rights to my property, but I get to pay for it! What about liability for that property? Are they offering to pay morgtages and insurance for the right to my house??

Ever heard of expropriation ?

 

[AlbertaGunslinger]

Don't buy the BS that you don't have property rights in Canada. Property rights are an essential part of British Common Law, which applies in Canada as it was enshrined in the BNA Act of 1867 and again in the Constitution Act in 1982. Just because property rights are not spelled out in the Charter does not mean you dont have them, you do and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

 

[RCloud]

Uh, The document in question, states the 'Family of VZ rifles' did anyone else notice that it also says the 'AR family of firearms'? Maybe the held shipment is a completely different issue than stated in this 3 year old Report.

 

[5440fight]

I like cats. Apparently, cats like me. As long as I keep breathing, they probably won't eat me.

http://3.bp.########.com/_gfXupHOEhH0/S2R5EoJiQZI/AAAAAAAAONM/GjlY9AbnTbM/s640/cute-cat.jpg

With that, I have brought something real and meaningfull to this thread.

Wolverine: I hope you get your product soon, how rude, and counter-productive.

 

[RCloud]

With that, I have brought something real and meaningfull to this thread.

Wolverine: I hope you get your product soon, how rude, and counter-productive.

I agree, except for the part about cats. I hope Wolverine gets their product soon as well.