Is the car trunk is "a sturdy, non-transparent container" with lock?

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When I go to the range I always trigger-lock my handgun and lock it in a gun case, as I learned from CFSC/CRFSC course.

Today a question jumped into my mind: during transportation, the car trunk is "a sturdy, non-transparent container" with lock, correct? If so a trigger lock + trunk should be good enough.... Comments?

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm

Restricted and prohibited firearms

Unload the firearms; and
Attach secure locking devices to the firearms; and
Lock the firearms in a sturdy, non-transparent container; and
Remove the bolts or bolt carriers from any automatic firearms (if removable).
Obtain an Authorization to Transport (call 1-800-731-4000).
 
Better to go above and beyond the minimum for storage and transport regulations. You never know if your going to get in a situation with an uninformed officer. If you already have the gun case, why stop using it. Trigger locked, in the locked gun case, in the locked trunk.

I suppose one could argue that the trunk of your car is infarct a securely locked container not easily broken into, but the law has been left intentionally loose, or unclear. Better safe than sorry.
 
Ok. U going to drive ur car into the range . What is ur plan to get gun from trunk into the range and back to ur car
 
"...trigger lock + trunk should be good enough..." You'd think that, until you get arrested for unsafe transportation after you become the victim of a crime if your car is stolen.
Neither 'u' nor 'ur' are words.
 
I'll bet $100 that you'd be charged. You could probably be charged for moving the gun from your residence to the vehicle unless you had an attached garage with interior access. Also if you could flip down the backseat from inside the vehicle while in transit, that wouldn't be securely locked. While I'm impressed with the OP's "outside of the box" thinking, I doubt a judge would be...
 
dHb said:
Also if you could flip down the backseat from inside the vehicle while in transit, that wouldn't be securely locked. While I'm impressed with the OP's "outside of the box" thinking, I doubt a judge would be...
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Yes that makes sense.
Since this is an hypothetical question, moving handgun from car to range is not part of this question (In theory you can open trunk and put the handgun into a locked case before entering the range).

However, when Canada Post shipped the handgun, there is no trigger lock and no case .... does the driver/Canada Post has a special license to do it?
 
From the Firearms Act:
SHIPPING BY POST

15. A business may ship a firearm by posting it only if
(a) the firearm is a non-restricted firearm, restricted firearm or prohibited handgun;
(b) the destination is within Canada; and
(c) the firearm is posted using the most secure means of transmission by post that is offered by the Canada Post Corporation that includes the requirement to obtain a signature on delivery.

TRANSPORTATION OF RESTRICTED FIREARMS AND PROHIBITED HANDGUNS

12. (1) A business may transport a restricted firearm or a prohibited handgun only if
(a) it is unloaded; and
(b) it is in a container
(i) that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot be readily broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation, and
(ii) that, subject to subsection (2), does not have any markings on its exterior that could indicate that a weapon, a prohibited device or ammunition is in it; and
(c) when it is in a container described in paragraph (b) that is in an unattended vehicle,
(i) if the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the container is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked, and
(ii) if the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the vehicle, or the part of the vehicle that contains the container, is securely locked and the container is not visible from outside the vehicle.

SHIPPING BY POST

16. An individual may ship a firearm by posting it only if
(a) the firearm is a non-restricted firearm, restricted firearm or prohibited handgun;
(b) the destination is within Canada; and
(c) the firearm is posted using the most secure means of transmission by post that is offered by the Canada Post Corporation that includes the requirement to obtain a signature on delivery.

There is a distinction implicit in the rules between shipping and transporting.
 
bigrevolver said:
However, when Canada Post shipped the handgun, there is no trigger lock and no case .... does the driver/Canada Post has a special license to do it?
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No he doesn't.

Employees of carriers

(3) Notwithstanding any other provision of this Act, but subject to section 117.1, no individual who is employed by a carrier, as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Firearms Act, is guilty of an offence under this Act or that Act by reason only that the individual, in the course of the individual’s duties or employment, possesses any firearm, cross-bow, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device, ammunition or prohibited ammunition or transfers, or offers to transfer any such thing.
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http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...texthighlight=carriers+carrier+carry#s-117.09

Not to mention was said handgun from a business? There are two set of laws one for individuals and one for business. Just because they can, doesn't mean you can.

Shawn
 
This bit here seems to explain it:

Lock non-restricted firearms and locked containers carrying restricted or prohibited firearms in the trunk or in a similar lockable compartment.

This is from the part about leaving the gun in an unattended vehicle, but they're clearly differentiating between the container for the gun, and the car trunk. If the trunk was a container in its own right, you wouldn't have to have it in a container that is then also in the trunk.

99.99999% positive that you'd get charged if the theory ever got tested.
 
Ok, this is a dumb thread. Have we just resorted to asking dumb questions for the sake of hearing what peoples opinions are? There is no way that someone would mistake a cars trunk for a locked container.
 
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