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Hello,

I recently got my first handgun and am thinking of buying a proper storage box.

I really like the one offered by Nanuk (910 model). I suppose this is legal as it is a hard case and can be locked as per the rcmp website. So it can be used as a storage box at home.

Any thoughts or recommendations?


Thanks,


Abe
 
As long as the container is hard to break into any container will do. Best that it isn't easily transportable too though. Thieves will just take a wee box that isn't bolted down and open it later.
"...hard case and can be locked..." That's more for transporting than storage.
 
6. An individual may store a restricted firearm only if

(a) it is unloaded;

(b) it is
(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device and stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) stored in a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked; and

(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in
(i) a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
(ii) a vault, safe or room that has been specifically constructed or modified for the secure storage of restricted firearms and that is kept securely locked.
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http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-3.html#h-4

(a) it is unloaded;
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Unload it

(b) it is
(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device and stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into, or
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Trigger lock it

And the container has to be locked as well as constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into

You are fine as long as you follow the firearms act.

Shawn
 
+1 for the Stack On too. Believe me and the others, your collection will grow right before your eyes! And try to bolt it down too so thieves cant run out with the safe and open it later. :)
 
Go to Costco and spend $300 on a safe. Don't let some thief steal your little box and shoot someone with your handgun.

leftygun said:
Hello,

I recently got my first handgun and am thinking of buying a proper storage box.

I really like the one offered by Nanuk (910 model). I suppose this is legal as it is a hard case and can be locked as per the rcmp website. So it can be used as a storage box at home.

Any thoughts or recommendations?


Thanks,


Abe
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shawn said:
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-3.html#h-4



Unload it



Trigger lock it

And the container has to be locked as well as constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into

You are fine as long as you follow the firearms act.

Shawn
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Thanks again for this. I have one question that is still unanswered:
How does the Firearms Act or RCMP define a safe or a vault?
I looked through archived threads and didn't see anything. I would love an "official" definition of those words that I can look to, point an unlearned LEO to, or teach a friend. If no official definition exists, what case law could be used as a definition?
Thanks in advance!
 
MontyHere said:
How does the Firearms Act or RCMP define a safe or a vault?
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They define a Safe or a Vault... As a Safe or a Vault.

That's it, there is no clarification.

One of many reasons people are frustrated with the system is that CRITICALLY IMPORTANT items like these are left with no concrete answer, and we often have to wait until someone gets run all the way through the courts in order to see what sort of precedent gets set.
 
GearaDoga said:
They define a Safe or a Vault... As a Safe or a Vault.

That's it, there is no clarification.

One of many reasons people are frustrated with the system is that CRITICALLY IMPORTANT items like these are left with no concrete answer, and we often have to wait until someone gets run all the way through the courts in order to see what sort of precedent gets set.
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Sort off.

The courts have rulled on the definition of safe as the firearms act is concerned in the Harry Barnes case.

These are the exact words of the judge:

[21] Since a breach of the regulation leads to a criminal charge, there must be a discernible standard for licensed individuals to meet in storing automatic firearms: see R. V. Smillie, supra at 35. In my view, an interpretation of the word "safe" in its ordinary, dictionary meaning of a metal container with a secure lock is consistent with the objectives of the legislation and the intent of parliament
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[22] I find that the cabinets in which the defendant's prohibited firearms were stored fall within the definition of a safe. Both of the lockers in which the prohibited firearms were stored were made of steel. Each cabinet was securely locked: one by a key and a padlock; the other by a locking system that uses a key to unbolt rods in the door from the frame of the unti. Indeed, despite their disagreement on other issues, the Crown and the defence expert both accepted that the units were securely locked. The Crown has not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that there was non-compliance with the regulation. The charges are dismissed.
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http://www.rangebob.com/Canada/HarryBarnesReasonsForJudgement20110624.pdf

The two lockers that were in this case were just ordinary school type lockers.

Shawn
 
Thanks GearaDoga, shawn, and Sluggo_m14!

I got into a "dicusssion" with my girlfriend when she came out of her CRFSC course because the instructor had told her the Stack-on keyed cabinets wouldn't cut it. He referenced a story where his acquaintance got busted for not having his pistol locked while inside that Stack-on cabinet.
I know this subject has been beaten to death... and it's about minimum requirements which I almost always exceed. (Currently using the Stack-on Safe with combo lock) Everyone can choose what makes them satisfied regarding this subject... I'm satisfied with that precedent set in the Barnes case and I may print it up to keep in the safe.
Cheers
 
Just an FYI, I found amazon.ca suprisingly had a decent selection of gun safes for good prices, from small drawer biometric pistol vaults to larger 24 long gun vaults, dial, key pad, biometric and most ship free, probably had a good 30-40 options. I paid a small amount extra on there rather than the stack on's at Canadian tire because of the quality difference, the barska biometric safes appear to be built quite well in my opinion.
 
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