Vz58 pistol mags??

I know that when a magazine is manufactured for a "handgun" it is allowed to be 10 rounds but just cause you have a very short barreled vz58 does that make it a "pistol"? And does writing "10 round pistol magazine" on the side make it legal? Does writing "this firearm is not fully automatic" on the side of a full auto pdw make it legal? Our laws are quite rediculous
 
These do look awesome, and I would love for them to come here by the shipping container load but there has been some questions as of lately to the legality of it beings that there is NO VZ pistol in Canada at this time. I believe the the CGN Admin has asked for no more advertising of it on CGN.

Use the search function, and you should come up with half a dozen threads covering these.
 
Sorry guys. Until you have some Vz pistols of your own we can't be selling you any magazines for them.

These are for the US and Cz only until further notice.
 
The RCMP website Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 72 States that 4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.

Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.

It says nothing at all that the pistol it is designed for must be available for sale in canada.
 
^^^^
The bulletin does not over rule the criminal code.

The criminal code states the magazine must be designed for a firearm that is readily available in Canada.

There are no vz58s in Canada classified as pistols.
 
keitha said:
It says nothing at all that the pistol it is designed for must be available for sale in canada.
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Guys. It does.

Trust me. We've been over this.

When there are Vz58 pistols in Canada with an FRT number we would love to sell Vz58 pistol magazines to anyone and everyone. Until then it's a no-go.

2 seconds while we dig up the law . . .

Bam:

3. (1) Any cartridge magazine

(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in

(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,
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http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/page-1.html
 
Some needs to determine if...

A) Pistols are elligable for import

B) They aren't already in Canada as short barrelled rifles (ie 7.5 and 11.75 carbines)

Here is the back end of a pistol, and the only feature that is different than a rifle. Maybe some people can step up, modify their existing SBR and get them re-verified as pistols.

images
 
fenceline said:
Some needs to determine if...

A) Pistols are elligable for import

B) They aren't already in Canada as short barrelled rifles (ie 7.5 and 11.75 carbines)

Here is the back end of a pistol, and the only feature that is different than a rifle. Maybe some people can step up, modify their existing SBR and get them re-verified as pistols.

images
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I don't believe you want to go at it that way.
The articulation of it being a pistol will be tied into it being registered/manufactured as a pistol, along with supporting papers, from the manufacturer. In this case CSA.
 
Thanks for the update. It can be hard to navigate through all our crazy laws. Hope to see some VZ pistols soon. for now I guess you have to get the AR-10 magwell adapter and XCR-AR10 10 round mags for the cz 858
 
wolfslayer said:
I was not aware of this so what do I do if my order shows as shipped?
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Check your emails. There should be an update from us asking if you'd like to refund your order or change it to some other product.

If there's nothing in your inbox: send up a PM with your order number and we'll get things worked out!
 
"Important Note: Cannot be used with the following single stack magazine rifles: vz.58 Sporter and vz.58 California Sporter SS."

Even if they were legal it sounds like they wouldn't work with the 858.
 
fenceline said:
^^^^
The bulletin does not over rule the criminal code.

The criminal code states the magazine must be designed for a firearm that is readily available in Canada.

There are no vz58s in Canada classified as pistols.
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pretty darn close....

i see lots of super short ones out there....

restricted


may as well classify them as a pistol no?

or at least one of them
 
CanadianReich said:
pretty darn close....

i see lots of super short ones out there....

restricted


may as well classify them as a pistol no?

or at least one of them
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They aren't pistols because they have a stock. See the picture I posted of a pistol version. The LAR15, while having a padded buffer tube, does not have a stock, hence why the receiver is classified as pistol.

Someone should see if a pistol version could be imported, thus allowing the pistol mags to be imported.

Or alter a vz shorty into a pistol, have it reclassified / verified and thus have a new FRT issued. Bingo, commonly available as anyone could do the transitional transfer from rifle to pistol. Would mean the gun could never go back to non-restricted, but the mags would become available.
 
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