Tired of people dumping parts guns as "working rifles" on the EE

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I have bought a couple rifles that had issues or missing parts that were not listed in the EE add .. On all occasions i was refunded or compensated by the seller .. One time i sold a rifle with a flaw that i did not notice before hand, so the buyer contacted me and i made it right.. Sometimes #### happens and its not on propose , all that matters is you make it right ..
 
I bought a Ross once that was missing the bolt stop. I was quite surprised when I tried to cycle it.
 
After reading this thread I'm still left wondering what is exactly wrong with both of the rifles in question? I'd love to see pics of both and good descriptions of what's wrong.

Also, milsurps are pretty much like old cars they almost always need some work. For those of us who have the ability to fix these guns that's the fun of buying them. For the other folks that need a smith for pretty much every repair I'd say stay away from milsurps as it cost a small fortune to pay someone to fix every little issue.

I'll add that I've bought 2 rifles on the EE and both needed work. The thing is the price reflected that. One seller said he knew nothing about milsurps and the other said he bought the gun as a "wall hanger". In both cases I asked for clear pictures and I asked lots of questions. I only was prepared to pay what I was comfortable with based on the info and pictures I received.

That being said I will pay a premium price for a gun on the EE but only if the seller is someone that is on here often and I feel that they are knowledgeable about milsurps.

I've yet to have a bad transaction on the EE, and I've yet to buy a milsurp that didn't have some issue that needed attention.
 
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I'm with FONESTAR on this 100%. I was also sold junk. looked great on the out side "sent pics" but completly worn out !! Yes, I paid premium price. Seller was a complete liar. Got no money back. Left apropriate feed back, and going to court. this seems to be happening more and more.
 
yes if you need a gunsmith to do anything for small parts then maybe guns are not your thing you should be able to take the bolt apart and know things like what the firing pin protrusion should be for that rifle ect. most on here don't need a gunsmith for a lot of things but then again it only takes a few basic tools and a little know how that can be had by searching youtube to do most things special tools don't come in till you do things like change barrels
 
lone ranger said:
I'm with FONESTAR on this 100%. I was also sold junk. looked great on the out side "sent pics" but completly worn out !! Yes, I paid premium price. Seller was a complete liar. Got no money back. Left apropriate feed back, and going to court. this seems to be happening more and more.
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Takes all kinds and the bigger the CGN membership gets, the more incidents like this will occur. But where else in Canada can you list a rifle for sale and have a few hundred prospective buyers look it over in one day? I have never been cheated on a deal but I have been disappointed a few times and I've had a few bad experiences with gun show purchases as well. But overall my experience has been good. Most buyers and sellers are decent to deal with here and I feel more comfortable dealing with sellers who buy a lot too.
 
like you said they are 60 plus years old and cheap,you need to ask all these questions befour you buy and im sure the seller will be more than happy to tell you the answers.As for posting trader rateing befour giving the gun a through going over will what can i say, NOT THE SELLERS FAULT
 
Well I just bought a SVT40 which is missing one of the two recoil springs in the bolt, along with the middle spring guide supposed to connect the two springs. So I would say yes, this is quite an incomplete, non functionning gun, which was sold to me as complete. Not quite gentleman-like...

Lou
 
I have bought quite a few rifles one i paid a good dollar for, A P14, to find out the barrel was bent, very truly the seller didnt know, its quite possible, also i bought no4mk2 sporter it was horrible, the finish was terrible, the stock was crap and not matching, my own fault for not looking close enough, so i turned it into something nice, and im quite happy with the work i did on it, its buyer beware there are tons of "get rich quick" cash in pocket, sell sell sell, but at the same time i totally agree anything and everything that is wrong with the rifle should be posted when its being sold, if people arent doing this, then it should be posted as a bad transaction if they wont compensate you for the lost parts

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Winchester30-30
 
Being one of the "old farts' who has been around and buying, selling and trading guns long before many of the newer Members were only a gleem in their father's eyes, I will make a few comments on this one.

One major thing I have noticed is that honesty and values have changed. It used to be that you could, and did, make a deal over the phone or on a handshake, and both parties kept to their part of the bargain. Your integrity, respect and honesty were valued. Now days, some of the attitudes seem to be "Boy, I got the best of him on that deal," and the preson who takes the most advantage seems to be held in esteem by his fellow comrades.

These Websites began with a great ideal, where knowledge could be freely given and taken by all interested parties. Many of the Forums are the home of egotistical individuals who seem bent on expressing their opinions, and only their opinions, on the majority of Members. The Internet, with it's anonymity, allows anyone to be who they choose to be. Unfortunately, many of the people choose to be Idiots, and people without scruples.

We see "ID this rifle for me, and what is it worth?" all the time here. Then, a week later, the same rifle is on the EE. I have also seen rifles that had information about their defects pointed out to the OP, but these were conveniently forgotten or minimumized in the For Sale advertisement on the EE. In this case, the Seller knew exactly what the faults of the rifle were, but deliberately and knowingly misrepresented the item for sale.

And while I am at it, how many times do we see a supposed Member here with 17 posts (if that, and most of them to ask "How much is it worth?") but a Trader Rating of several Hundred?

We now have Stickies whose topic is "How not to get Scammed." So from that, I would suggest that the problem of crap items being over represented, and the chance of outright thieves and con artists are on the rise.

How do we safeguard ourselves? I would suggest any pictures that are Not of good quality are suspect. With the under $100 cost today for a suitable digital camera then there is no excuse for poor blurry pictures. A PM to the Seller about the rifle, asking about any missing parts, defects, damage or non-functioning parts should receive an honest answer. If a Seller dances around on this one, it is Suspect.

There are also differences of opinion on the condition of a rifle. If a Seller uses the NRA Guidelines, then it should be all right. However, to a buyer, a "GOOD" barrel might be one that is shiny with like new rifling, but to a Seller or another person, the barrel might be "GOOD" but have well worn bore, some pitting and darkness.

Communication is the best medium. Any Seller who refuses to give me a Name and Address, and a phone number is Suspect. With the rising prices and availability of firearms, especially Milsurps, there seems to be more optimistic descriptions of firearms, and stuff we would have easily classified as POOR are now described as "USED", or "SHOOTABLE."

One of the best things you can do is look at the Seller's FEEDBACK and note any problems. You can then PM the person who had a problem with the Seller and ask about that particular transaction. However, read the comments on the feedback by BOTH the buyer and the seller for that transaction and give them fair consideration. Sometimes BUYERS can be very unreasonable.
 
louthepou said:
Well I just bought a SVT40 which is missing one of the two recoil springs in the bolt, along with the middle spring guide supposed to connect the two springs. So I would say yes, this is quite an incomplete, non functionning gun, which was sold to me as complete. Not quite gentleman-like...

Lou
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That's too bad Lou. Especially when you are one of the people who represent your guns honestly and accurately in your EE adds. I guess this I why I try and buy guns locally so I can inspect them in person, that way I know what I'm in for condition wise.
 
buffdog said:
Being one of the "old farts' who has been around and buying, selling and trading guns long before many of the newer Members were only a gleem in their father's eyes, I will make a few comments on this one.

One major thing I have noticed is that honesty and values have changed. It used to be that you could, and did, make a deal over the phone or on a handshake, and both parties kept to their part of the bargain. Your integrity, respect and honesty were valued. Now days, some of the attitudes seem to be "Boy, I got the best of him on that deal," and the preson who takes the most advantage seems to be held in esteem by his fellow comrades.

These Websites began with a great ideal, where knowledge could be freely given and taken by all interested parties. Many of the Forums are the home of egotistical individuals who seem bent on expressing their opinions, and only their opinions, on the majority of Members. The Internet, with it's anonymity, allows anyone to be who they choose to be. Unfortunately, many of the people choose to be Idiots, and people without scruples.

We see "ID this rifle for me, and what is it worth?" all the time here. Then, a week later, the same rifle is on the EE. I have also seen rifles that had information about their defects pointed out to the OP, but these were conveniently forgotten or minimumized in the For Sale advertisement on the EE. In this case, the Seller knew exactly what the faults of the rifle were, but deliberately and knowingly misrepresented the item for sale.

And while I am at it, how many times do we see a supposed Member here with 17 posts (if that, and most of them to ask "How much is it worth?") but a Trader Rating of several Hundred?

We now have Stickies whose topic is "How not to get Scammed." So from that, I would suggest that the problem of crap items being over represented, and the chance of outright thieves and con artists are on the rise.

How do we safeguard ourselves? I would suggest any pictures that are Not of good quality are suspect. With the under $100 cost today for a suitable digital camera then there is no excuse for poor blurry pictures. A PM to the Seller about the rifle, asking about any missing parts, defects, damage or non-functioning parts should receive an honest answer. If a Seller dances around on this one, it is Suspect.

There are also differences of opinion on the condition of a rifle. If a Seller uses the NRA Guidelines, then it should be all right. However, to a buyer, a "GOOD" barrel might be one that is shiny with like new rifling, but to a Seller or another person, the barrel might be "GOOD" but have well worn bore, some pitting and darkness.

Communication is the best medium. Any Seller who refuses to give me a Name and Address, and a phone number is Suspect. With the rising prices and availability of firearms, especially Milsurps, there seems to be more optimistic descriptions of firearms, and stuff we would have easily classified as POOR are now described as "USED", or "SHOOTABLE."

One of the best things you can do is look at the Seller's FEEDBACK and note any problems. You can then PM the person who had a problem with the Seller and ask about that particular transaction. However, read the comments on the feedback by BOTH the buyer and the seller for that transaction and give them fair consideration. Sometimes BUYERS can be very unreasonable.
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Well put Buffdog!

I'll also add that one thing that I do in addition to the above is I read through sone if the sellers posts and any threads they have started. I find that I can get a good feel for what kind of person the seller is. If someone conducts themselves with honesty and integrity online then chances are they are a good person and a real gunnut.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned but I bought a no4 lee enfield from an old timer last year. He said he had it for 40 years and never put a round down the pipe. It was mint, I mean mint VG+, I probably could have gotten it for half of what I paid but I offered him a fair price for it. His eyes lit up and he said "I can't believe that someone will pay me that for an old gun". At the end of the day, I sleep at night, and I guess the golden rule is a way of life for me.


And Winchester30-30, I was looking at your P14 last night, we'll get her fixed!!
 
Maybe it's just me but expecting a 80 year old or + milsurp to be 100% reliable is a little optimistic. Is it a referb? Is it sporterized? How worn out is it? Lots to consider. I do agree that any missing/incomplete or modified parts should be disclosed before sale. I hate when items are misrepresented in a for sale ad.
 
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