Single action CZ? Or at least lighter pull...

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Just finished my first match with my CZ 75 SP-01 tactical with decocker. I went with this model because I figured having the hammer half cocked already would mean a shorter pull for the first round as opposed to a FULL DA pull.

During the match I found I am really good with this gun AFTER the first shot, but that first DA shot is always terrible. Practice will help but is there such a thing as a single action only CZ? Or is there a way to reduce the weight on the DA pull? I shoot only factory loaded ammo... im not sure if that makes any difference.

Thanks for the help. If there IS a single action CZ out there, why isnt it the one everyone uses? I much prefer a SA with a manual safety (like a 1911) to a half cocked DA with no safety.
 
I'm not sure if this helps, but on the Shadow you can quickly reduce trigger pull weights for DA and SA by replacing the stock 18# mainspring with a CZ 13# spring. I have heard this is considered legal by the rules, I don't know personally.
 
Yes, there is a CZ 75B SAO. Very nice pistol, my buddy has one.

I am guessing you were talking about an IPSC match, but please correct me if I am wrong. If you use the 75B SAO in IPSC, it puts you in Standard division. Production guns cannot be SAO, and of course the SAO is not on the approved pistols list. Using the SAO, you'd be competing against people with tuned 1911s and the like (ported barrels, magwells, etc.). That's probably why you don't see many of them. Not sure what happens in IDPA, but probably something similar. If you're talking Steel Challenge, again, no idea.

You can reduce the weight of the trigger pull on your SP-01 Tactical by using a lighter mainspring. This has the greatest effect on the DA pull, but lightens the SA pull a bit, too. You cannot swap out the hammer as many do with the other pistols in the 75 series, because the decocker version is not compatible with the competition hammer (this is the "winner" part that people like to use). You cannot modify the existing hammer or sear, either, if you want to stay in IPSC Production division.

You can also store your pistol cocked and with the trigger depressed (zip tie it) to hasten the "break in" of both the trigger return spring and mainspring. This doesn't run afoul of the modification rules for Production division as it's the same as normal wear. :)
 
I guess a bit more info would have been helpful. I'm shooting more "friendly" IDPA style matches. We're a bit looser on the rules but I don't want to have any "unfair" advantages. (That's not winning IMO)

I have 2 1911's and love how both fire but I'm not liking the 8 round mags and I prefer 9mm... I do love the CZ. Feels great, shoots great, runs flawlessly. I just don't like that first DA pull. Ill try a new spring and see how it feels. Thanks for the tips.
 
The stock DA pull isn't as bad as some DA's I've tried. But it's not exactly silky smooth out of the box. Still, much improvement can be had thru practice where you decock then shoot two rounds. First in DA and the second in SA. Decock and repeat ad nauseum.

Having said this I found that swapping for the 13lb spring was a HUGE improvement. It's a pretty much automatic IPSC/IDPA mod even if you do nothing else at all.
 
Where can I get a 13 lb spring? Does anyone know if there are any shops around Vancouver that carry these?
 
pavmentsurfer said:
I guess a bit more info would have been helpful. I'm shooting more "friendly" IDPA style matches. We're a bit looser on the rules but I don't want to have any "unfair" advantages. (That's not winning IMO)

I have 2 1911's and love how both fire but I'm not liking the 8 round mags and I prefer 9mm... I do love the CZ. Feels great, shoots great, runs flawlessly. I just don't like that first DA pull. Ill try a new spring and see how it feels. Thanks for the tips.
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Well then, there's no reason not to use the SAO. But try swapping that mainspring out on your Tactical to see if you want to stick with that one. It's a cheap mod. There's also no reason not to have both. :)

FYI, there are some 10rd 1911 mags that work very well, depending on your pistol.
 
I got a few 13# main springs. Ping me for the springs.

Also, on SP-01 Tactical gun, there are three things I personally find making it less than perfect for a competition gun:
- thick front sight;
- decocking lever that makes you hold it lower as opposed to a CZ with manual safety;
- firing pin block, that makes for quite long trigger reset.
 
pavmentsurfer said:
I guess a bit more info would have been helpful. I'm shooting more "friendly" IDPA style matches. We're a bit looser on the rules but I don't want to have any "unfair" advantages. (That's not winning IMO)

I have 2 1911's and love how both fire but I'm not liking the 8 round mags and I prefer 9mm... I do love the CZ. Feels great, shoots great, runs flawlessly. I just don't like that first DA pull. Ill try a new spring and see how it feels. Thanks for the tips.
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IDPA was created as "practice" for CCW in the states, and the Glock 19 is one of the most popular CCW's in the states for good reason.
The unfair advantage that striker fired guns have over da/sa guns is called technology, and not considered gaming, just a wiser choice imo.

They are not for everyone, but to me stiker-fired is the only way to go. Your trigger finger and holster are your safeties.
No real need for an 8-10lbs da pull and/or manual safety when the trigger is covered in a holster while not in use, and you are mindful of where your trigger finger is when the gun is not on target.


In a sanctioned match, you'd only be competing against other striker-fired guns anyway, so no advantage over the competition at all.

Friendly, club-level matches are the way to go, and nobody would fault you for working with a tupperware gun... oh. wait, they might! lol
 
Ive owned a number of glocks and an M&P and really did not like them. I have no "issue" with polymer guns other than I dont shoot them well. I shoot the CZ VERY well... just not the first shot. Im going to try the 13lb spring and see what happens.
 
Enhanced Service Pistol class allows you to run a CZ with a manual safety (rather than a decocker) in cocked-and-locked mode.
 
^^ I saw that one. Im just not sure having a gun that rare is what I want. I realize its not important for the actual competition, but its not a very pretty gun either. Too bad they can just make a SA shadow... id buy that one in a heart beat.

I read the IDPA rules and, after TRYING to sift through all the other stuff, I thought I read you had to start with the hammer down if possible and any safeties engaged. If not, I may want to think about getting a shadow. I ONLY went with the decocker because I thought it would shorten the first DA pull.
 
pavmentsurfer said:
Ive owned a number of glocks and an M&P and really did not like them. I have no "issue" with polymer guns other than I dont shoot them well. I shoot the CZ VERY well... just not the first shot. Im going to try the 13lb spring and see what happens.
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Your issue with striker fired guns is your ability as you say. Bearing that in mind you will be much better off investing in some professional training before modifying your gun. Mods stick with the gun. Skill stays with the shooter.

Tdc
 
pavmentsurfer said:
Ive owned a number of glocks and an M&P and really did not like them. I have no "issue" with polymer guns other than I dont shoot them well. I shoot the CZ VERY well... just not the first shot. Im going to try the 13lb spring and see what happens.
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TDC said:
Your issue with striker fired guns is your ability as you say. Bearing that in mind you will be much better off investing in some professional training before modifying your gun. Mods stick with the gun. Skill stays with the shooter.

Tdc
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I agree with TDC.

If you don't mind constructive criticism, you need to work on your trigger control.
If you do mind constructive criticism... buy a 9mm 1911.

This guy is a ####, but his message is valid.
 
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