Why tell them. Just sayin'.
Of course if you keep the original barrel it would be restricted based on length but with an 18.5" it ought to be a variant of the Interarms Sporter. Then again I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on the internet.
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Of course if you keep the original barrel it would be restricted based on length but with an 18.5" it ought to be a variant of the Interarms Sporter. Then again I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on the internet.
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Okay....so then you end up with an uninspected, unauthorized (no FRT#), modified, semi automatic firearm.
Anyone can make full auto firearms as well with a first year machining course, it's not rocket science. They just don't because you would be breaking the law and we're law abiding citizens regardless of how ### the laws may be.
What was the point of your prior statement?
Totally legit concerns, indeed. What I wanted to illustrate though is that given the desire the ability is there with a bit of work.
I am unaware of the law requiring every firearm in Canada to be issued an FRT # though. Further research in the legality of this conversion is warranted before actually trying it.
I am unaware of the law requiring every firearm in Canada to be issued an FRT # though. Further research in the legality of this conversion is warranted before actually trying it.
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I am unaware of any law that requires a firearm to have a FRT number. The FRT is a catalogue for identifying firearms. In order to register a firearm, it had to be identified. The powers that be would not issue a registration certificate unless there was a matching FRT entry.
Since the demise of the LGR, there is no need to register most longarms. Consequently there is no need for a FRT number.
The catch is that a FRT entry is a confirmation of how a firearm is classified by the SFSS of the RCMP.
Make an AKish rifle, and it would be entirely possible to wind up in an argument about whether the thing is or is not an AK variant.
Submit the thing to the SFSS for inspection and classification, and there is every possibility that it will disappear into a black hole, and you will never see it again, or ever hear from the SFSS again.
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Or if it doesn't have an FRT stemming from the CSR line of guns, and since it looks like an AK, you could very well end up possessing an unclassified prohib AK. After all, it looks like one, who is to say it isn't with prior confirmation of classification. That will be the prosecutor's angle. Very predictable.
Think about a highly modified Lee Enfield or any other non-restricted firearm. The receiver markings haven't changed. It isn't registered, and is not required to be registered.
As long as it isn't modified into a prohibited firearm, it isn't relevant that there is an entry for a Lee Enfield.
The problem here is that the thing might be considered to be a variant of a named prohib.
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Yes, which under that frt is listed as a bolt action rifle. Or would be when approved. As it would be modified into semi auto, the frt wouldn't match, thus requiring a call to a lawyer.
The only semi auto ak like guns that are non-restricted are the specific valmets types. Everything else semi auto and ak looking is prohib. No frt, looks and functions like a prohib ak, uphill battle to prove yourself innocent
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Definitely. But its an interesting thought experiment ; on one hand, you have a legally owned non-restricted firearm, yet its action has been modified to semi-auto, which is in itself also not something illegal.
On the other hand, you now have a rifle for which the action hasn't been verified and approved and doesn't correspond with the one listed in the FRT.
I guess a case could easily be made against you that you need the firearm verified to make sure it is not easily converted to FA considering the new action. But, that also doesn't mean you'd be in possession of a prohibited firearm at that point.
One thing is for sure, with all the uncertainty revolving around this question, I won't be the guinea pig!
indeed.
This is the problem I'm having. How the hell can the addition of a piston magically change something from a non restricted non variant to a prohib variant.. I mean I can see it as 22 blow backs that look like an ak are variants but the idea of it just doesn't seem right.
I'm really interested to take a peek at the guts of this thing
I'm actually not sure. Is it?
If the addition of a piston combined with the type of trigger assembly makes it easily convertible to full auto, then I guess the "variant" aspect wouldn't even matter, and it would be classified as prohib as a result of the easy conversion. One of the determining factors in classifying AK variants as prohib was precisely that, the ease of FA conversion aspect.
It's easier to convert an AR15 to full auto using a hacksaw blade than it is to convert an AK to full auto. Ease of conversion is very unlikely why it was prohibited.
As for modifying the action, no such law exists to my knowledge. What it does say is you have to report (for only restricted/prohibited firearms now) any change or modification that allows a frame or receiver to discharge ammunition. Putting an upper on an AR15 registered as frame only for example requires you to report the change.
With the demise of the LGR though there's nothing to report on with a non restricted firearm.
As for modifying the action, no such law exists to my knowledge. What it does say is you have to report (for only restricted/prohibited firearms now) any change or modification that allows a frame or receiver to discharge ammunition. Putting an upper on an AR15 registered as frame only for example requires you to report the change.
With the demise of the LGR though there's nothing to report on with a non restricted firearm.
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As far as I can see (and I will go read some more Regulations to try to pin it down), the only stipulation is in the Firearms Registration Certificates Regulations (SOR/98-201 S.4(2)), where you must notify the Registrar of a change to the action of a fire-arm. Verification, Firearms Identification Numbers, the Registrar, these are all things that apply only to Certificates, and per the Firearms Act S.12.1, there are no Certificates for Non-Restricted. The FRT system is a handy database for the border and police agencies, but it is not a pre-requisite for a gun to exist; I'm sure somebody reading this has some obscure European single shot .22 that has never been entered in the FRT, but is perfectly legal to Possess.
Provided you haven't moved it into Restricted or Prohibited class due to barrel length, over-all length, automatic operation, or whatever else, it should be legal to modify a fire-arm into semi-automatic from a manual action. If you accomplish this by installing parts from a Kalashnikov or named Variant, good luck arguing it hasn't become an AK variant. The authorities at any time have the power to say they need to examine your guns because you've been doing evil things to them, or lying about what they really are, and send them off to the lab. Even if it's just a question of is the OAL 660,1mm or 659,9mm you'd be amazed at how they can drag it out. Malicious, bad-faith, harassing treatment to be sure, but hard to get a judgment of such.
I doubt that this rifle yet to be introduced could be easily modified. If it is do-able, people will post it on here and we'll all be excited, but the RCMP read the board too, and you can bet they'll send out a directive to look out for modified CSRs.
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