My SWISS

Bracketman said:
Not sure what you're getting at with this comment? Honestly, it sounds elitist...
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"Pride" is a bad word unless it involves homosexuality. (Said the Liberal)

People work hard and earn things, let us celebrate with those people. (Said the Conservative)
 
id64 said:
I really hope that all this ####storm will calm down soon
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Well at the risk of repeating myself it's still not too late to write and send a letter or 10 (click here). In fact I hope everyone in this thread has done exactly that.

Very nice rifle OP, are you a lefty? Just wondering why the light is mounted on the right side, seems a little difficult to get to with your support hand unless you're southpaw ;).
 
blaxsun said:
Liked all of my Swiss Arms, except for the weight.
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Then you must just not like piston guns in general, because as far as weight is concerned the SAN rifles are very comparable to other piston guns of similar barrel length. I strongly dislike the weight of my NR SAN rifle as well, but let's not pretend it's any heavier than other piston guns with full length barrels.

H&K 416 with 19.9" barrel, 8.5 lbs
Swiss Arms with 20.79" barrel, 8.6 lbs without bi-pod
Swiss Arms with 17.9" barrel, 7.94lbs
IWI Tavor with 18.1" barrel, 8.1 lbs
Robinson Arms XCR with 16" barrel, 7.5 lbs (Now add the extra 2.5" of barrel to make it non restricted, I can't find the official weight of our NR models)
Bushmaster ACR with 16.5" barrel, 8.2lbs
H&K G36 with 18.9" barrel, 8 lbs
H&K SL8 with 20.08" barrel, 8.6 lbs
AR-180B with 18.5" barrel, 6 lbs (With the poly lower this is definitely the lightest weight piston gun I've found so far, I don't know if it's beatable)
 
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Steve Janes said:
Then you must just not like piston guns in general, because as far as weight is concerned the SAN rifles are very comparable to other piston guns of similar barrel length.
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Actually, the base weight of the non-restricted Swiss Arms is around 9.3lbs with the top picatinny rail. And to make it a fair comparison, we really need to configure the Swiss Arms with a quad rail to give it comparable real estate. That pushes it to almost 11lbs - so it's definitely the pig out of the group.

There's also the potential issue of the 800-lb gorilla...
 
blaxsun said:
Actually, the base weight of the non-restricted Swiss Arms is around 9.3lbs with the top picatinny rail. And to make it a fair comparison, we really need to configure the Swiss Arms with a quad rail to give it comparable real estate. That pushes it to almost 11lbs - so it's definitely the pig out of the group.

There's also the potential issue of the 800-lb gorilla...
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Adding the top rail and quad rail to make it heavier to fit your argument really makes no sense at all (only two rifles on that list come stock with Quad rails anyway) The NR SAN rifle alone weighs in at 8.6 lbs. You can't argue that. If I ad things like rails, bi-pods, lights, and kitchen sinks to other guns they get heavier too, but a stock comparison is what I have drawn up, and the numbers don't lie, if your putting down then SAN rifles based upon weight, like many hear do, then you just haven't done your research.
 
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Steve Janes said:
Adding the top rail and quad rail to make it heavier to fit your argument really makes no sense at all. The rifle alone weighs in at 8.6 lbs. You can't argue that. If I ad things to other guns they get heavier too, but a stock comparison is what I have drawn up, and the numbers don't lie, if your putting down then SAN rifles based upon weight, like many hear do, then you haven't done your research.
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You can't mount an optic by default on the Swiss Arms, so that's hardly making it heavier to fit my argument (9lbs with the B&T picatinny rail, using your number). If you start stripping or swapping rails off the others (Tavor and ACR, for example) you're going to see the weight of those drop considerably (well under 8lbs). There's also the exorbitant price tag, magazine compatibility (at the time)... Some of these come down to personal preference, and for me the Swiss Arms never did it. Still nice rifle OP. :D
 
Swiss arms does not compare to any HK416 variant...they loose on practically every factor....The newer versions of Swiss are worth looking at, but that gun is old technology with minimal upgrade in materials, its heavy and does not offer the benefits the 416 does with it's heavy models do! Seals for example left that system a long time ago....
 
I haven't seen too many set up like that..... Maybe I just don't get out enough! Looks very cool though!

I just went with run-of-the-mill Leupold Patrol scope.
Doesn't add too much weight, but then I'm not carrying it very far either.....


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side note:

What's with all the "loose" this, and "loose" that?

Loose = something not tight.

Lose = did not win.


carry on...
 
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guys, chill out...

Blaxsun called the SAN guns hugely heavy, I simply posted a comparison.

Leibermuster, the comparison between the 416 and the SAN was meant as a personnel stab at you, and all in good fun :p:p:p , just because I knew it would get a rise out of you, and that's why it was not posted publicly, but over a PM :p:p:p

blaxsun said:
There's also the exorbitant price tag, magazine compatibility (at the time)... Some of these come down to personal preference, and for me the Swiss Arms never did it. Still nice rifle OP. :D
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And again bringing up stuff that we weren't talking about to fit your side of the argument. I simply posted an accurate weight comparison that no one, even you blaxsun ;) can argue with
 
A rail like the DDm4 v7 might shed some weight.

That being said, when my normally 105lb wife was pregnant with twins she carried extra 50lbs and didn't complain once.

ymmv
 
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