9MM and 38 Special Bullets with TiteGroup Powder - Advise Required

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So I'm looking to pickup some Berry's or Cam Pro bullets tomorrow from Budget Shooters Supply. I've got Titegroup Pwdr. and want to know what some of you guys think is the correct recipe of bullet weight and powder. My Lee and Lyman books provide some info. but the codes of the bullets gets confusing compared to what's listed in the books.

38 Special available is Berry 158 Gr. FP (Flat Point?) vs. Cam Pro 125 or 158 Gr. Trunc Cone. As per the loading books all I find is a load using Titegroup for 158 Gr. XTP. Will the suggested start and never exceed pwdr. weights work???

Now for the 9mm - I'm also looking at Berry's 124 Gr. RN....but load data is for 125 Gr. Jacket Bullet, with Titegroup, so do I load down by 0.1 Gn?? Or do I go with Cam Pro 115 CMJRN (jacketed round nose?) or 124 CMJHP (jacketed hollow point) Grain bullets???

With no powder supply out there, I'm trying to get by with Titegroup powder loading both 9mm and 38 Special and 1 of the above bullet choices for each caliber.

Input required, thanks.
 
Go to hodgdons website for more load data, but for +/- 5gr bullet weight load to the closest weight and you will be fine.
 
If I couldn't find load data for the exact bullet weight I plan to use, I've used data for the next heavier bullet, of similar construction, and start with a starting load. One grain difference in bullet weight for a 124/125 grain bullet is less than 1%. I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturing tolerances are at least that much. Using that method, I'm going to be vewwy vewwy careful in what I start with. Checking multiple sources / reloading manuals might get you something more specific.
In most combinations, going to a heavier bullet weight with the same powder will end up with a lighter powder charge. As a result switching to a lighter bullet, you'll be okay, *MOST* of the time.

Have you checked Berry's or CamPro's websites for load data / recommendations?

One thing I always stick to: If in doubt, don't do it.

Stan
 
So I finally got all of the components together - primers, powder and bullets. I picked up Berry's and Cam Pro bullets for both calibers - 115, 124, and 158 grain all copper jacketed in a few different config's. This weekend I'm going to load up 5 or 10 of each type with pwdr levels as per you guys and see what the results are. Will keep you posted.
 
4.1 behind 124 is perfect for my IDPA loads. Not as powerful as factory but meets power factor minimum for sanctioned matches. Make sure u get a proper crimp too. Wish I could find more Titegroup or any powder these days.

What gun are u shooting the 9? Make only 10 or 20 rounds before u do a whole batch and test. Don't wanna have to pull 100 heads if the gun don't like.

Haven't done .357 in a while, but you can used titegroup too, just be careful not to over charge that long case.
 
"...load data is for...the correct recipe..." You should be using cast bullet data for plated bullets. The correct recipe is the one that gives you the best accuracy out of your handguns. There is no such thing as a universal load for any bullet/powder combination.
 
triplepete said:
What gun are u shooting the 9? Make only 10 or 20 rounds before u do a whole batch and test. Don't wanna have to pull 100 heads if the gun don't like.

Haven't done .357 in a while, but you can used titegroup too, just be careful not to over charge that long case.
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I'm shooting with a Cdn Mfg. Para LTD 18/9 and a Ruger GP100 in 38/357. I'm going to make a dummy round for each of the 5 bullet types that I got and ensure in drop in and out of the barrel, once done, will then make 5 or 10 max. of each round and range test.

sunray said:
"...load data is for...the correct recipe..." You should be using cast bullet data for plated bullets. The correct recipe is the one that gives you the best accuracy out of your handguns. There is no such thing as a universal load for any bullet/powder combination.
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Try finding cast bullet these days? And using TiteGroup alot of shooters say it's a bit hot for cast and can bung up the barrel. If you type "TiteGroup and 9mm or TiteGroup and 38 Special" quite a bit of load data comes up. I'm a spreadsheet kinda guy, so as I read I dump all of the relevant data in and come up with some pretty consistent averages. Should be good to go.....and soon I shall see.
 
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I'm now to reloading too and with working up I have found that;

My Wifes M&P 9mm likes 4.2gr Tite with OAL of 1.1 with Cam Pro 115 grain and using federal primers.

My CX4 9mm with NR barrel works well with 3.9gr Tite with OAL 1.15 and Cam Pro 115 grain and using federal primers. (For feel to me it shoots too light, almost feels like shooting a .22, I'll prolly use the same load as min on my wifes M&P)

Both of these are done without crono's and by feel as well as inspecting the brass after for any signs. All Brass was perfect.
 
me and most other guys I shoot with (4 or 5 high volume guys) only use titegroup powder. Its cheap, reasonably clean and quite consistant between batches and temps.

for 124gr (rn or hp) campro 4.2gr @ 1.10 works well in a shadow for one guy we shoot with, a few go a little longer which I would recommend if your gun works longer. for .38 I don't have the particulars buy shoot me a message or email and I will ask the one guy who shoots .38 with us what his loads are.

emmer if you get bored and want to play with the cx4 loads, pick up a slower powder like autocomp or wsf and try it, with a longer barrel a slower powder will give you a whole bunch more velocity and the campro bullets will hold together when going very fast because of the extra thick plating. If I ever get my open gun in my hands and you are going to come out and shoot steel challenge with us let me know and you can try some of the minor loads with autocomp, should make good speed out of a cx4
 
I guess I'm loading the Cam-Pro 9mm 147gr a little hotter than you guys are loading the 115 and 124gr.
My load is also 4.1gr of Titegroup at an OAL of 1.15".

Cam-Pro are extruded and are not as soft as most other plated bullets.
They can withstand jacketed load data.

Edit: Upon verification my 147gr load is 3.2gr of Titegroup at an OAL of 1.105".
Do not use the above load data of 4.1gr
 
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ShooterReady.ca said:
me and most other guys I shoot with (4 or 5 high volume guys) only use titegroup powder. Its cheap, reasonably clean and quite consistant between batches and temps.

for 124gr (rn or hp) campro 4.2gr @ 1.10 works well in a shadow for one guy we shoot with, a few go a little longer which I would recommend if your gun works longer. for .38 I don't have the particulars buy shoot me a message or email and I will ask the one guy who shoots .38 with us what his loads are.

emmer if you get bored and want to play with the cx4 loads, pick up a slower powder like autocomp or wsf and try it, with a longer barrel a slower powder will give you a whole bunch more velocity and the campro bullets will hold together when going very fast because of the extra thick plating. If I ever get my open gun in my hands and you are going to come out and shoot steel challenge with us let me know and you can try some of the minor loads with autocomp, should make good speed out of a cx4
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Sounds like fun, I may try that in the future. I have a little bit longer barrel thaan the normal cx4 (NR conversion) so it would help lol.


Right now I am stuck ether at DVC or if I get time (Rare) Silvester Rd. so I haven't really been able to stretch out the cx4, I am hoping to get into the Abby range soon (on the list)
 
thump_rrr said:
I guess I'm loading the Cam-Pro 9mm 147gr a little hotter than you guys are loading the 115 and 124gr.
My load is also 4.1gr of Titegroup at an OAL of 1.15".

Cam-Pro are extruded and are not as soft as most other plated bullets.
They can withstand jacketed load data.
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holy that's a peppy load for 147gr, mine is 3.2gr and I was debating seeing what 3.1 and 3.0 make over the chrono. Are you replicating self defense/duty loads for practice?
 
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