Syrian rebels receive ww2 wepons..

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There is no black and white, only varying shades of grey. Ask yourself: what would it take, what would you have to witness, to do a terrible thing. Generally, that's how these things happen. Violence begets violence, and the best way to justify your own atrocities, is to hilight the other side's, and dehumanize them. I don't buy into that BS. People are people, aside from the occasional pyschopath. Go after the influencial pyschopaths, particularily the leaders, and avoid loss of life on all sides, and you stand a chance at ending a war.
 
Unfortunately, should the opposition take power they will be no different than the ones they replaced. Better things are one sided, over in a short time to limit deaths and suffering and then pressurize the regime to slowly give more freedom to the people. If it is given too quickly new tyrants will spring up. A culture of freedom and the expectation of the same must be permitted to grow and this is a slow process. A revolution will do nothing except change one tyrant for another.

Because the post-revolution years in France have been less bloody ? We have been chopping heads industrially, not to mention the totalitarian French Commune in Paris. Last time I checked, US had their civil war as well.

Do you really expect a country which has been living in 40 years or more of dictatorship to discover Democracy and Republic overnight ?
 
Beheaded, actually.

Obama's allies.

Harper is so right to not want to give these people support.
and ? Obama uses his executive power to order assassination of US citizen in foreign country without due process, does that make him "better" ? For a guy who received the nobel price of peace[0], his track record is pretty unimpressive.

Btw, I still haven't had a clear answer. Do you condone the use of sarin nerve agent against civilian population ? Does any of you (ie. pro-Assad) do ?

[0]: it doesn't warrant a capital letter
 
Astounds me why people make fun of the French Army. Modern post WW2 is one thing but they are more than able to kick ass if the political leash is removed. Then, watch out.
Because of the Maginot line... and sitting ducks for 6 month waiting for the German army to invade while at war.
 
and ? Obama uses his executive power to order assassination of US citizen in foreign country without due process, does that make him "better" ? For a guy who received the nobel price of peace[0], his track record is pretty unimpressive.

Btw, I still haven't had a clear answer. Do you condone the use of sarin nerve agent against civilian population ? Does any of you (ie. pro-Assad) do ?

[0]: it doesn't warrant a capital letter

It appears the answer is as clear as a whistle to everyone here except you.
 
Because of the Maginot line... and sitting ducks for 6 month waiting for the German army to invade while at war.

The Maginot Line wasn't built at the request of the professional military.

It was built at the request of politicians, politically motivated high ranking military men and a lot of public contractors that raped the treasury to build it.

At the time it was being built, France had one of the most mobile, armored forces in the world.

Top ranking bureaucrats, top military officers and politicians are not noted for being rocket scientists. The same goes for Corporate Management.

Their effectiveness is scaled on their connections and their ability to access them. This is why they depend so much on mainstream media.

What's going on in Syria, is very similar to what happened in Yugoslavia. Far to many differences to call them the same but similar in that it's unwinnable by either side or sides and won't ever be over until you can find some way to convince religious fanatics and political fanatics that 2000 years of social engineering by all sides is done for the benefit of a very few.

Syria, has a tight fence around it right now. The Russians broke the blockade a few times and maybe a few gunrunners as well. Notice the prevalence of civilian Mannlichers being pressed into sniper service?

There is a lot of money to be made in such situations. If you have the right products, they can easily be turned into money, gold, jewels and even antiquities of incredible value.

Food first, clean water, booze or drugs/meds, firearms and ammo are at the top of the list. Literally worth their weight in gold.

Syria, will be financially devastated for the next 25 years after this is over. She will have been ruthlessly gutted of anything of value. The bureaucrats and upper ruling classes will move most of the assets offshore as well.

This will now be an ongoing battleground between religious/political sects for the rest of our lifetimes.

Assad may be a tyrant but he was allowing reform to happen. This scared hell out of the religious sects and they went to war over it for control.

Religion and politics, don't usually mix very well. Their bureaucracies are to jealous of each other. People be damned.
 
with country's like Syria once one tyrant is out the next one comes in or a war brakes out somewhere else and the gunrunners buy up from one place and more it to where conflict is its a never ending story and most likely why so many ak's have barrels that are just trash. but Syria is one of the most desperate ive seen yet shotguns being made into grenade launchers and civilian hunting rifles being made into a snipers weapons and then the clunker ak's
 
Not sure if I am right, but one of the rifles in the crates looks to me like a Berthier Turkish Forestry carbine? Wonder if they have trouble sourcing the 3 shot enblocs? :)
 
The Maginot Line wasn't built at the request of the professional military.

It was built at the request of politicians, politically motivated high ranking military men and a lot of public contractors that raped the treasury to build it.

At the time it was being built, France had one of the most mobile, armored forces in the world.

Top ranking bureaucrats, top military officers and politicians are not noted for being rocket scientists. The same goes for Corporate Management.

Their effectiveness is scaled on their connections and their ability to access them. This is why they depend so much on mainstream media.

What's going on in Syria, is very similar to what happened in Yugoslavia. Far to many differences to call them the same but similar in that it's unwinnable by either side or sides and won't ever be over until you can find some way to convince religious fanatics and political fanatics that 2000 years of social engineering by all sides is done for the benefit of a very few.

Syria, has a tight fence around it right now. The Russians broke the blockade a few times and maybe a few gunrunners as well. Notice the prevalence of civilian Mannlichers being pressed into sniper service?

There is a lot of money to be made in such situations. If you have the right products, they can easily be turned into money, gold, jewels and even antiquities of incredible value.

Food first, clean water, booze or drugs/meds, firearms and ammo are at the top of the list. Literally worth their weight in gold.

Syria, will be financially devastated for the next 25 years after this is over. She will have been ruthlessly gutted of anything of value. The bureaucrats and upper ruling classes will move most of the assets offshore as well.

This will now be an ongoing battleground between religious/political sects for the rest of our lifetimes.

Assad may be a tyrant but he was allowing reform to happen. This scared hell out of the religious sects and they went to war over it for control.

Religion and politics, don't usually mix very well. Their bureaucracies are to jealous of each other. People be damned.

X2...I do believe this about sums the situation up.

Hey, I know! What do you guys think about Egypt!?:rolleyes:
 
Assad may be a tyrant but he was allowing reform to happen. This scared hell out of the religious sects and they went to war over it for control.
So it's ok to live under a tyrannical regime ? The fact that Assad "allows" (the same way our government "allows" us to have firearms) does not change the fact that he is a tyrant. If the final price is a complete burn of the middle east, may it be.
 
French military weapons since Napoleon have followed a most unusual pattern: finest materials, best workmanship....... and wonky designs.

Get over the wonky designs (which is quite possible) and they work very, very well.

Little MAS-38 is one of the most intriguing SMG designs ever.

The much maligned Chauchat was so far ahead of its time in some ways that the people making it and the people using it did not understand what they were playing with. The result, of course, was chaos.


French firearms from the 1890's to the 1940's were either "well-made" or "combat-effective", but seldom both, and too often neither.


Actually, it goes back a little further in time, when one considers that the excellently-made 1873 revolver fired a "much weaker than necessary" cartridge. Then there's the 1907 rifle's three-shot magazine (admittedly replaced with the 1915/1916 rifle's larger capacity), the Chauchat that was much less battlefield-proof than the Lewis gun (and was perhaps already "operating at the limits" in terms of design-strength for automatic fire with the French cartridges, let alone American ones), and the MAS-36 which with all due respect took quite some time to field - and didn't offer much in the way of service-rifle innovation.


"Credit where credit is due" that French SMG's have usually been pretty decent, though.


What will happen to the Alawites?


See: Turkey.
 
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