Norinco M305 build options

Hunter on a Budget

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I am planning on purchasing a Norc. M305 soon and want to add a few upgrades, but I would like a second opinion.

Planning to install:
-Promag Archangel stock
-Sadlak operating rod
-Sadlak scope mount airborne
-Smith Enterprises good iron muzzle brake
-Schuster adjustable gas plug
-Brownells M14 pro spring kit
-Buffer technologies recoil buffer

If anyone has some experience with any of these parts (pros or cons) or think that there should be something added to my list for a good reason, let me know.
 
Hunter on a Budget said:
I am planning on purchasing a Norc. M305 soon and want to add a few upgrades, but I would like a second opinion.

Planning to install:
-Buffer technologies recoil buffer

If anyone has some experience with any of these parts (pros or cons) or think that there should be something added to my list for a good reason, let me know.
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Do NOT use the buffer! It is completely unnecessary & the only time I ever had function issues with an M14 back in the day!

Cheers
Jay
 
check out M14.ca they make a lot of nice parts and have a pretty sweet looking muzzle brake coming out, and for the extra $300 it is a much nicer stock than the archangel and more modular. also, he make a very nice scope mount.
 
Tell us more about how you see yourself using the rifle. The Promag stock is heavy, so if you are planning to take it off the range this might not be the best choice.

For target use, many really seem to like the ergonomics of the Promag but as simonyzer says, it's not very rigid. For the money, what you're getting is the look and the ergos.

The adjustable gas plug is only going to be useful if you plan on using big bullets and reloading. Are you really going to use 180 grain pills, max loads or experiment with powders?

Why replace your Op Rod? The Norc Op Rods are supposed to be forged and unless yours is bent or off-spec it might be better than what you are buying. I don't see an Op Rod Spring guide in your list. Perhaps you meant this, which is highly recommended.

Spring kit is only good for spares - no performance improvement.

Buffer...heard the same as Jay from others. Not needed.
 
Pr589 said:
Tell us more about how you see yourself using the rifle. The Promag stock is heavy, so if you are planning to take it off the range this might not be the best choice.

For target use, many really seem to like the ergonomics of the Promag but as simonyzer says, it's not very rigid. For the money, what you're getting is the look and the ergos.

The adjustable gas plug is only going to be useful if you plan on using big bullets and reloading. Are you really going to use 180 grain pills, max loads or experiment with powders?

Why replace your Op Rod? The Norc Op Rods are supposed to be forged and unless yours is bent or off-spec it might be better than what you are buying. I don't see an Op Rod Spring guide in your list. Perhaps you meant this, which is highly recommended.

Spring kit is only good for spares - no performance improvement.

Buffer...heard the same as Jay from others. Not needed.
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ya, i meant the op rod spring guide and not the op rod in general. I am planning on using the rifle for hunting and as fun gun so the gas is quite necessary. I understood the spring kit was good for extra service life of the rifle, and same for the buffer but i guess not so they are taken off my list.

As for the stock my original plan was to put on a Troy industries chassis system on the M305. But, I ended up backing out since the extra weight of the system is unbearable for hunting. So i stuck to the archangel.
 
Heads up...The Archangel with a scope an bipod comes in at close to 14.5 lbs
It seems weight is a concern, so bear that in mind.
Soon as I can get some powder Im doing one more comparison with the Angel stock, and if I can match it with my own stock Im selling it
Nothing wrong with the stock.....Im just too old to be lugging it around, and it would look weird with wheels :))
 
You don't need an adjustable gas plug either. It's a marketing thing only.
You need to think about a trigger job on any new rifle and forget the cosmetic stuff.
 
sunray said:
You don't need an adjustable gas plug either. It's a marketing thing only.
You need to think about a trigger job on any new rifle and forget the cosmetic stuff.
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Why not the gas plug? Don't standard .308 rounds have higher gas pressures than regular 7.62x51? If it does, wouldn't the extra pressure from the hunting round cause extra recoil and strain on the components?
 
People have been shooting the crap out of these things for years without fancy adjustable gas plugs.
Like sunray says its a marketing thing, as are most of the "must have " items for this gun.
But its your gun and your money. Have fun and goodluck with your build
 
You can build a sub-9lb. rifle in a Blackfeather "RS". The stock is fast handling and is balanced well. With a CASM scope mount on Blackfeather, your stock comb is higher, therefore, cheek weld is good. The CASM mount will also seat your scope rearward, shifting optics weight to your shoulder. Short eye relief scopes will benefit here. It will install in 10 min. and you won't need to shim, disassemble the bolt or replace springs. The Brookfield Precision Tool designs offer approx. 10 extra ounces of weight on your M14 and shift optics weight over middle receiver. The CASM offers 1 extra ounce of weight when you remove the iron sights. It has a BUS that is easily good out to 250 meters, or more. The CASM EX is the longest M14 rail sold to the best of my knowledge. With this length, you can add offset mounts at the front for a Trijicon RMR, for example, and still have room for an optic. This mount also has a BUS and adds approx. 3 ounces of weight to your M14 setup (excluding an offset mount and red dot). We offer a four fluted oprod spring guide and are close to putting out our first short and lightweight muzzle brake and front sight that will effectively maintain the optimal balance and swing weight we like about the Blackfeather RS platform. Have a look at the article I wrote on Stepped Plane Optics on the M14-type Rifle. It will explain my point of view on balance, swing weight and optics configuration options.
 
Ask and I shall receive some good advice.

A couple of questions:
With the CASM mounted higher than the brookfield design, is there still a chance that the ejected casing will hit my optic? Or since I am mounting scope on top that is to be expected?

The Blackfeather I noticed I would have to add an AR buttstock to it. Since I do not own an AR and have no experience with them, will any AR stock be good enough to withstand the extra recoil from the .308?
 
Hunter on a Budget said:
Ask and I shall receive some good advice.

A couple of questions:
With the CASM mounted higher than the brookfield design, is there still a chance that the ejected casing will hit my optic? Or since I am mounting scope on top that is to be expected?
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No, cartridge cases will not hit your optic.

Hunter on a Budget said:
The Blackfeather I noticed I would have to add an AR buttstock to it. Since I do not own an AR and have no experience with them, will any AR stock be good enough to withstand the extra recoil from the .308?
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Yes, we have used every stock Magpul makes, as well as products from VLTOR, CAA, Ace Ltd., FAB Defense, etc.. I don't think you'll have a problem there.
 
drifter dave said:
Is this your first m14?
Try buying some ammo with all that cash and just shooting it.
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Yes this is my first M14. Buying lots of surplus or hunting ammo to shoot with is my main intention, otherwise why buy the rifle in the first place?

Most of the mods I am doing is mainly for hunting wild boar. Vitals on a hog are small compared to other game and bolt actions are too slow to reload when there are lots of hogs in one area. Plus, they are tough. Almost need to shoot them twice, one after the other, to guarantee the hog is down for good. So I would need an accurate, reliable semi-auto that I can get the job done so I can claim my $50 bounty and eat some very lean pork.
 
egmonster said:
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't surplus ammo all FMJ? Can you hunt with FMJ?
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I had a buddy pull the bullets on a couple hundred hirtenberger nato rounds. Then used the press to seat nosler 165 (or 168?) grain partitions. Worked very well and were accurate too. If I did that again I'd prbably adjust the powder a hair as they are hot rounds hehehe
 
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