Non-restricted firearms registration for Quebec customer

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If this was done during the time of the injuction would this not be the correct thing to do? Marstar is required to comply with the law and Quebec did have the court challenge. Marstar can hardly go back in time to fix what it did not know, none of us knew the outcome of Quebecs court case. What happens if they didn't register the firearms and Quebec won then Marstar would have been in breach of the law. That being said as Johnone stated we are not in the possesion of ALL the facts there is more to this story. I live in Alberta so it does not effect me at all. I feel for you gun owners in Quebec as there is no more hostile region for gun owners in this country then Quebec. It makes the gun pandamonium in Ontario seem almost reasonable in comparison. ;-)
 
Tuco Pike said:
If it was their normal business activity to register the firearm before shipping then that is what they should have done. Just because a pen stroke one day by a "body" somewhere which does not do any real work now says something different doesn't mean the whole world changes. If people are concerned about non restricted registration certificates, just rip them up and throw them away like the rest of us did. People are always willing to "stand up" to the powers that be when someone else is standing in front shielding them. We will all be standing on our own, when Pierre's son is our next PM. Let's see how many have the backbone then. I see a mass firearms handing over party in most of the CGNer's future.
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The braggarts that strutted and crowed and talked the loudest and boasted they'd never register after c-68 was passed were the very first to register their NR guns in the town I lived in back then.
But there is good news in all this.
When the Son of Pierre, the New Mass Media Created Canadian Messiah brings the LGR back we will all have a chance to revisit the decisions we made in the few years after the passing of c-68 in 1995.
And JT and the LPC WILL bring back the LGR because disarming the citizenry is hard coded LPC dogma. Their GOD PET said make it so back in '68 and they will come hell or high water. For that reason and to punish us for c-19 they will do it if they have to bankrupt health care, the CPP and education funding in the process.
The loud and vociferous ones with the big brass balls will have plenty of opportunity to prove their mettle in the next 5 years.
Don't bash Marstar or the other gun dealers too hard. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. In 2019 it will be very apparent who the real heroes are.
 
PsyEx said:
If this was done during the time of the injuction would this not be the correct thing to do? Marstar is required to comply with the law and Quebec did have the court challenge. Marstar can hardly go back in time to fix what it did not know, none of us knew the outcome of Quebecs court case. What happens if they didn't register the firearms and Quebec won then Marstar would have been in breach of the law. That being said as Johnone stated we are not in the possesion of ALL the facts there is more to this story. I live in Alberta so it does not effect me at all. I feel for you gun owners in Quebec as there is no more hostile region for gun owners in this country then Quebec. It makes the gun pandamonium in Ontario seem almost reasonable in comparison. ;-)
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THANK YOU I could not have said it better, I am off to our time machine and will travel back a few months and erase all files....
Regards
John
 
Ar180shooter said:
Incorrect. The CFO could not make the keeping of such records a condition of the Business firearms license. The business may keep whatever records it wants. Although the onus was on QC residents to register the firearms, there was nothing in law forbidding a business from doing it for them.

I'm not defending any actions Marstar may or may not have undertaken, but merely correcting your "facts".
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I would respectfully suggest you read a typical license issued in this province, simply put, you are wrong
John
 
kaos013 said:
Since the rest of Canada stopped their registry it has been the responsibility of the purchaser in Quebec to register a NR firearm not the seller. Nothing is different now
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Once again we are dealing with incomplete information....There have been several changes in regulations, policies , etc, etc since the LGR went down.... so please do not generalize in your statements
John
 
pomelum said:
Marstar registered one of my relative SKS buy this winter.
i can confirm this.

note; the customer didn't ask for this neither, when the person called to get the rifle registered
the RCMP or whatever told him it was already done.
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That was last winter, the rules changed several times since then, inform yourself before making statements, PLEASE
John
 
People come to a forum to become informed John. Rather than piggie back off other statements, take 15 minutes to type out the company policy and why it is in place (I.E. to follow regulation x, y and z)

It seems strange to many people that it could be law to register a firearm in Quebec while the court proceedings took place. As firearms are federally regulated, it seems strange that a dealer MUST register a buyers product with a province, going against C 19 until Quebec had won the case. THEN they (quebec) can demand whatever they want. It's a slippery slope having provinces contradict federal law but I think as most people see it, when push comes to shove, federal firearms law trumps provincial law if contradictory.

Like others have said. Spell it out if you have all the info. Vague answers and cheap shots are not going to satisfy the concerned parties in this thread.

Jason
 
Loyer said:
Geez guys....maybe we should burn everyone at the stake at Marstar....I heard they were witches.
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If we burned Canadian gun owners and dealers who willingly knuckled under to Big brother without even a whimper of resistance since c-68 was passed at the stake we'd run out of trees.
Cut Marstar some slack.
Even a modicum of honest introspection on the part of most of us will reveal that we were no better.
A lot of pots calling the kettle black here.
Having said that I am certain that there are a lot of NR firearms in Canada that have been here for many years that were NEVER registered and never will be registered.
There were a lot of Canadian gun owners that only registered the guns they hunted with and buttoned their lips about the ones they didn't register.
Passive civil disobedience. Quiet and effective.
 
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stormwolf18 said:
I don't see why you blame John and Marstar.
Quebec is a mess, deal with it.
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Burning someone in effigy is a feel good tactic to divert the focus of blame from where it rightfully belongs, ON ALL OF US.
Let's be honest with ourselves.
It is APATHY and not MARSTAR that is the big problem in Canada for gun owners.
And the problem obviously persists.

Case in point: the RCMP just got away with another anti-gun purge/pogrom in High River, Alberta
 
I for one am not attacking or accusing John or Marstar. John has done much to bring good products for great prices and Marstar has, as far as I'm concerned, always been a joy to do business with. This being said, John's approach of responding with little quips without answering the original question or offering new insight leaves to be desired.
 
stormwolf18 said:
I don't see why you blame John and Marstar.
Quebec is a mess, deal with it.
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Do I blame anyone ? I just wish to be informed of the current Marstar policy before placing an order[0]. Anything else is just phantasm. Or maybe customers should just be KITDFOHS ?

[0]: actually, I also intend to prove wrong people saying "Buy a firearm outside of Quebec, the dealer will not register it" kind of talk.
 
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