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SteelCityCoach
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- Stoney Creek, Ontario
Rim fires
Coach don't be so quick turning up your nose at that rem 37 they can shoot a good one will out shoot most any 22 you can buy over the counter today.
My friend just picked up a Anshutz 54 with a after market barrel that shoots crazy accurate he was shooting 5 shot groups in .130 to .300 at 50 meters consistently with middle of the road ammo.
Here was target we set up today at range 5 aspirins at front and tumms at rear at 50 yards I was shooting a old rem model 540 and friend was shooting is 54 both where using some RWS ammo that real shoots well in both guns Rule was if bullet touched wood it was considered a miss only one shot touched wood in 11 shots all were gone. Lots of people at range today they all have some respect for these old rim-fires, and a few thought we where crazy trying to hit aspirins at 50 yards.
If I where you I would PM Eagleye and see if if has any of his many many rime-fires he might part with he won't steer you wrong he is a fine gentleman.
If you can stretch your budget buy his Suhl if he would sell it. I saw a 5 shot group he fired at 50 yards .075" thats SMALL theirs no one will out gun you with that Suhl
Manitou
Coach don't be so quick turning up your nose at that rem 37 they can shoot a good one will out shoot most any 22 you can buy over the counter today.
My friend just picked up a Anshutz 54 with a after market barrel that shoots crazy accurate he was shooting 5 shot groups in .130 to .300 at 50 meters consistently with middle of the road ammo.
Here was target we set up today at range 5 aspirins at front and tumms at rear at 50 yards I was shooting a old rem model 540 and friend was shooting is 54 both where using some RWS ammo that real shoots well in both guns Rule was if bullet touched wood it was considered a miss only one shot touched wood in 11 shots all were gone. Lots of people at range today they all have some respect for these old rim-fires, and a few thought we where crazy trying to hit aspirins at 50 yards.
If I where you I would PM Eagleye and see if if has any of his many many rime-fires he might part with he won't steer you wrong he is a fine gentleman.
If you can stretch your budget buy his Suhl if he would sell it. I saw a 5 shot group he fired at 50 yards .075" thats SMALL theirs no one will out gun you with that Suhl
Manitou
Coach, check this out: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?943507-Anschutz-Mark-2000-Target-Rifle
hometownhero
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- Toon Town, Sk
Another one for a cz here. I have had 4 or 5 savage rimfire rifles and none even came close to my cz's in performance or feel.
Cz will frustrate you if you really are wanting to shoot for pure accuracy. Manitou gave some very sound advice. When my nine year old son wants to hit what he's shooting at he digs out the Anschutz, Suhl, or French target rifle, and leaves the cz for gophers. Yes the cz can shoot sub 0.300 groups, its still no target rifle. You can find Annie's for 800 if you look hard, that rem that was offered should be looked at. You will not find a new target 22 with scope that will shoot for under 800. You are way better off buying used.
pickeringchris
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- Pickering Ontario
Would we all agree that a bolt action in that price range is gonna be more accurate than a semi? I have a savage 17hmr btvlss that is extremely accurate. I can only assume that the 22 variant is just as good and somewhat easy to find... Also, if you want a semi target there is a 10/22 target stainless in stock at Lefabres source for sports.
hometownhero
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A bolt will be more accurate yes. I however can not agree on the savage part. I said before my cz's outshoot every savage I have had by a good margin
I have to agree 100%
I have four Savages, four CZ's and Three Annie's and the Savages are good and you just might get lucky and get one to shoot as good as a CZ. Also the CZ's are a step up from the Savages and you might get lucky and get one to shoot close to an Annie. But the Annie's rule the roost when it comes to target shooting, just check to see what the Olympics are shooting!
I am going to part with a Savage and a Annie shortly to buy a Brno, will it shoot as good as the Annie, probably not but I want one.
Buy what you think will do the job for you and you are comfortable with.
Good Luck
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FWIW, one of the most accurate factory 22's ever recorded was a bone stock sporter savage. It typically shot groups under 0.100. Every once in a while Savage produces a zinger, but you must try many before finding the one. Anschutz on average outshoot all others. CZ's are a great sporter and consistently shoot well, but target rifles they are not.
As for bolts outshooting semi's that is the norm, unless one finds an older thompson centre benchmark or R55, everyone I have seen outshoots CZ's consistently, and shoot as well as some target Annies.
For a dedicated target rifle, you tpyically need a great barrel and match chamber. Target barrels are typically bull barrels, that are lapped (very smooth so no lead builds up in the bore) and are always chocked, meaning the bore gets tighter at the last 1.5-2 inches of muzzle, this controls the gas and doesn't allow it to escape past the bullet as its leaving the muzzle.
Target 22's typically need to use target ammo, which is waxed, this wax helps the bullet slide down the bore, with less friction, this helps with consistency from shot to shot.
22 target is a whole different world than centerfire target. Its much harder to make a 22 shoot accurately than it is to make a centerfire shoot accurately. so you want to give yourself a good start, and that is a good rifle, a target rifle.
Back to the thompson centers. they shoot so well, because they are using shillen match barrels.
As for bolts outshooting semi's that is the norm, unless one finds an older thompson centre benchmark or R55, everyone I have seen outshoots CZ's consistently, and shoot as well as some target Annies.
For a dedicated target rifle, you tpyically need a great barrel and match chamber. Target barrels are typically bull barrels, that are lapped (very smooth so no lead builds up in the bore) and are always chocked, meaning the bore gets tighter at the last 1.5-2 inches of muzzle, this controls the gas and doesn't allow it to escape past the bullet as its leaving the muzzle.
Target 22's typically need to use target ammo, which is waxed, this wax helps the bullet slide down the bore, with less friction, this helps with consistency from shot to shot.
22 target is a whole different world than centerfire target. Its much harder to make a 22 shoot accurately than it is to make a centerfire shoot accurately. so you want to give yourself a good start, and that is a good rifle, a target rifle.
Back to the thompson centers. they shoot so well, because they are using shillen match barrels.
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I'm told that the Lilja barrels for CZ rifles are really good.
Lilja took three Olympic podiums with their barrels for Bleikers, after all...
http://www.riflebarrels.com/winners/default.htm
Lilja took three Olympic podiums with their barrels for Bleikers, after all...
http://www.riflebarrels.com/winners/default.htm
I'm with Dizzy.
For bench rest shooting, forget American. Go with Anschutz. Great triggers , great barrels. The best thing unless you do a custom build.
Or if you want to mix it up, try Weihranch, Krico or Sako. All will out shoot all american rimfires out of the box, and look better doing it.
They are not specialist B/r rifles, but you will be happy to give them to your children.
Just my two cents worth.
Best Regards,
rsf
For bench rest shooting, forget American. Go with Anschutz. Great triggers , great barrels. The best thing unless you do a custom build.
Or if you want to mix it up, try Weihranch, Krico or Sako. All will out shoot all american rimfires out of the box, and look better doing it.
They are not specialist B/r rifles, but you will be happy to give them to your children.
Just my two cents worth.
Best Regards,
rsf
