Shooting to a different POA with different grips?

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So I had the CZ75b out a few days ago with the factory plastic grips. My shooting was not stellar but it was centered on the target for the most part. I put on the cocobolo CZ grips and they fill the hand a bit more. Now I shoot all my shots to the right of target and had to get closer to get them all on target. I was shooting at 20yds and at an 8" target if it matters. Is it the way I grip or do the Wood ones just not fit. I switched back to the plastic as I want to be on target more than I need good looks. I will keep shooting and try the wood grips again later once I get my shooting better.
 
I've heard it's fairly common. Check out some of Hickok45 videos, with a new pistol he might miss a few shots before he gets a feel for where it's shooting, and the guy probably has more trigger time than an average gun club combined.
 
I always shoot to the left with a new gun. I work on my grip, and over a couple of hundred rounds you see the groups move to the center . Once I am used to the grips, no more problem.
 
Hickok45 is bad. He makes every gun look like a laser. That guy can shoot. Well I will leave the plastic on for a bit till my groups tighten up then try the wood again.
 
you might be milking the grip, it's a common thing to do when the grip hurts your hand or does not fit properly, hence you brain tell your hand to switch the grip slightly hence you move your fingers, then you change your grip, and you are milking the grip. Do you fell your palm of your hand is sore and your fingers tired, even slightly. The grip should be comfortable, if it's not then shooting accurately requires more concentration than instinct.
 
dogzilla said:
I always shoot to the left with a new gun. I work on my grip, and over a couple of hundred rounds you see the groups move to the center . Once I am used to the grips, no more problem.
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This.

When I got my P99 (new to me), I had to adjust the sights way to the right to hit the center of the target. The sights are now centered. I didn't have that problem with my USP though, I found it fit my hand much better.
 
Grips don't make the bullets go somewhere else, shooter error does.

Pay attention to sight alignment and sight picture.
 
ok, try to shoot a handgun with a grip smaller or bigger than your hands, then report back to us.


Lodi said:
Grips don't make the bullets go somewhere else, shooter error does.

Pay attention to sight alignment and sight picture.
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Avenida said:
ok, try to shoot a handgun with a grip smaller or bigger than your hands, then report back to us.
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Done it lots of times, I align the sights, pull the trigger and hit the target. Like I said, "Grips don't make the bullets go somewhere else, shooter error does."

Grip size and shape does not make the shooter pull the trigger, they also don't make the shooter point the gun in the wrong direction. Shooter error does!
 
Ganderite said:
If the group is no bigger than the old grip group, just move the sight. that is why it is adjustable.

if the new group is to the left and bigger, then your hand does not like the grips.
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I went back with the plastic grips. Shooting at 100 yds i couls really see how far right it was shooting. I moved the sight over a bit and the group is centered. I also tried the 115gr and my gun seemed to like those a bit better. Now to try the wood grips again.

I did notice the rear sight was not hard to move. Maybe it got bumped.
 
Its all about anatomy, if the handle were round and stayed round then you would shoot to the same POI with all grips, but that is not the case, using different grips causes the gun to sit in your hand differently from grip to grip, the gun will roll left or right even up or down a bit

ganderite said it best, don't mess with your grip or hold angle, adjust the sights.

this is the big reason many gun makes now make adjustable backstraps. they roll the muzzle up or down typically, wider grips turn the muzzle left to right.
 
Just shoot at the next target to your right ;)
Seriously though, if this is a new pistol, give it to someone else.
If he has the same problem, than it's time to adjust the sights.
If he's dead centre, than it's time to adjust yourself to the gun.
Good luck.
 
If the grips are a slightly different size they may be causing you to hold with the gun shifted in your grip. Get back to the basics and ensure that the upper beaver tail portion sits centered in the web between thumb and forefinger so the gun sits in line with your forearm when your wrist is held in a neutral manner.
 
Sights should be adjusted so that point-of-impact coincides with point-of-aim, not to compensate for shooter errors.

If the physical dimensions of the gun prevent the shooter from using the gun correctly, then change the guns dimensions or change guns.
 
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