BAR with 14k rounds of 300WM through it

Eagleye said:
Jeez, Sunray...do you have ANY idea what 14K rounds would mean to a gun barrel?
Shot out is shot out, and at 14K you would be lucky to hit a barn wall from the inside.
Showing your lack of understanding once again.
Eagleye.
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are you kidding? ive seen a 7 1/2" smith in 44 magnum (model 29-2) with over 70 000 down the pipe, the guy bought it back in the 1974 for silhouette matches and has used it ever since, and the barrel is fine, sure its not a 300 wm but still
 
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are you kidding? ive seen a 7 1/2" smith in 44 magnum (model 29-2) with over 70 000 down the pipe, the guy bought it back in the 1974 and has used it ever since, and the barrel is fine, sure its not a 300 wm but still
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Not even a remotely similar comparison. Compare the bore diameter to case capacity of each, as well as the chamber pressures, and the difference is very obvious.
 
stubblejumper said:
Not even a remotely similar comparison. Compare the bore diameter to case capacity of each, as well as the chamber pressures, and the difference is very obvious.
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he said "do you know what 14k rounds do to a gun barrel" not do you know what 14k 300 WMs do, he was implying that after 14k rounds of anything, no gun could hit the broadside of a barn, atleast thats what I read
 
Thenooblord said:
he said "do you know what 14k rounds do to a gun barrel" not do you know what 14k 300 WMs do, he was implying that after 14k rounds of anything, no gun could hit the broadside of a barn, atleast thats what I read
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He's right. Eagleye has shot out a good few barrels in his time, a .44 Mag has almost nothing in common with a .300 Mag. Pistol barrels will run to infinity compared to rifles, let alone a .300 Mag.

Here's a quote from Gale McMillan (of the .50 cal sniper rifle, and stock making fame),

Another tidbit to consider--take a 300 Win Mag that has a life expectancy of 1000 rounds.
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There are different standards of barrel life, meaning velocity still produced and accuracy being acceptable for the task, and for a range gun this will be longer than a precision rifle. But not 13,000 rounds longer by our estimation.
 
Thenooblord said:
he said "do you know what 14k rounds do to a gun barrel" not do you know what 14k 300 WMs do, he was implying that after 14k rounds of anything, no gun could hit the broadside of a barn, atleast thats what I read
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Eagleye is probably one of the most experienced riflemen on this board, and no young gaffer (no offence Eagleye!). He meant the gun we're all talking about, the .300, and you can take his word for it. :)
 
Ardent said:
Eagleye is probably one of the most experienced riflemen on this board, and no young gaffer (no offence Eagleye!). He meant the gun we're all talking about, the .300, and you can take his word for it. :)
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And no offense taken. But, in fairness, I should have qualified my response.

I was indeed speaking about the original chambering, the 300 Win Mag.

Not pistols, not 22 rimfires, and not 22 Hornets, but rather the over 70 grain capacity 30 cals.

I have had the pleasure of toasting several rifle barrels in my shooting career, and
feel privileged to do that much shooting. [it represents a few lbs of powder, lol]

Thanks all, for bringing the oversight to my attention.
Special thanks to those who understood and defended my position. :)

Regards, Eagleye.
 
In a small case as the .308 Winchester is, the gilt edge of accuracy in a select match barrel is gone in 400 rounds according to Ed Shilen. Superb accuracy for over 1000 rounds can be expected however... and acceptable accuracy for many over 2000 rounds...

14000 rounds through any magnum center fire rifle will toast a barrel long before that total is reached.
 
Thenooblord said:
are you kidding? ive seen a 7 1/2" smith in 44 magnum (model 29-2) with over 70 000 down the pipe, the guy bought it back in the 1974 for silhouette matches and has used it ever since, and the barrel is fine, sure its not a 300 wm but still
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Is that "guy" hickok45, per chance?
 
the video start by saying: look at this rifle, what a marvel of engineering!
i laughed, never had so much trouble taking a gun apart before browning, thank you.
 
I thought I did good when I shot 6000 rounds through my old Winchester M70 Ranger in 30-06. Throat erosion was bad. The rifle, new, would group under an inch and was around 3"+ when I gave up on it.
 
Humour is lost on you fellows.I think I can hear a faint laugh coming from the west.Could it be,from BC.Things seem to be always better,bigger,on the coast.
 
gtrussell said:
Humour is lost on you fellows.I think I can hear a faint laugh coming from the west.Could it be,from BC.Things seem to be always better,bigger,on the coast.
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Only thing I could change there gt, is your mention of the coast.
The interior is far more awesome, like what Alberta wished they were!
 
he said "do you know what 14k rounds do to a gun barrel" not do you know what 14k 300 WMs do, he was implying that after 14k rounds of anything, no gun could hit the broadside of a barn, atleast thats what I read
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The topic of the thread is 300winmag, so based on that, and on his reputation on this forum, I assumed that he was referring to a 300winmag barrel.
 
sunray said:
"...how many barrels were shot out..." Likely none. 'Shot out' to a hunter isn't the same thing as it is to a target shooter.
"...a lot for a mag..." It's a lot for anything, but it doesn't mean the rifle is toast. It just means the accuracy is what it used to be. Not that anybody would ever shoot that many rounds under normal conditions.
And here I thought it was a 'for sale' thingy from the 'last post' description. snicker.
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You really should get off the keyboard and try doing what your lips flap about too often. The only people snickering are those who have, and its again at your ignorance.

Calum said:
Reasonable accuracy after 14K of magnum rounds out the same barrel... I seriously doubt it.

Perhaps the Benelli would fair better given the cryo treatment they give to their rifle barrels but even then...
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Cryo is a smoke and mirrors solution for the gullible so they can pay more. The Benelli would cook the throat just as quickly. If you'd like to argue with Ed Shilen, Obermyer and Kenny Jarrett about it then fill yer boots. If you want to de-stress a barrel you need heat and neither will increase the wear resistance of the steel.
 
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