Massad Ayoob: Stress reload for revolvers.

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Long story short, I got into a heated debate (can't remember who it was with or even if it was on this forum lol. My how time flies) with someone about fast-loading a revolver. Now of course you're screwed if you have to reload the rounds one at a time in the middle of a gunfight, fight for your life, maybe you have a wilderness ATC and have a run-in with something that wants you for lunch, etc. but having to load one at a time...... BLOWS.

ALOT of people still use the FBI reload method originally developed back in the '30s. Which was fine at the time because the rounds certainly were NOT as hot as they are today. The method where you pop open the cylinder, invert the muzzle skyward, stick your two fingers of your left hand (if you're a righty) through the frame to hold the cylinder in place, then give the ejector rod a good smack and then start feeding the rounds or insert a moon clip, speed loader or jet-loader.

Not only that but it's extremely awkward and as Massad points out, you can easily put yourself almost into a wristlock and if someone grabs your gun? You're screwed.

In short, here's the video I've been looking for FOR YEARS NOW that illustrates what I was trying to get at when I said DON'T USE THAT METHOD!


Enjoy.
 
I'm surprised that for the reload he switches hands. Why not keep your revolver in your right hand after the eject and draw and load your speedloader with the left hand?

I can do this though I admit that I am slightly ambidextrous.
 
geologist said:
I'm surprised that for the reload he switches hands. Why not keep your revolver in your right hand after the eject and draw and load your speedloader with the left hand?
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The reason is likely to perform the fine motor skills (reloading) with the dominant hand, under stress you are less likely to fumble with inserting the rounds/speedloader in the cylinder.
 
geologist said:
I'm surprised that for the reload he switches hands. Why not keep your revolver in your right hand after the eject and draw and load your speedloader with the left hand?

I can do this though I admit that I am slightly ambidextrous.
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That's a very good point and I prefer to keep the firearm in my right hand. He HAS TO do that because the round were on his right side for that reload so he can't reach around with his left. If the rounds were on his left, the best way to do it would be to keep your right hand on the revolver, thumb on the cylinder, and reach down with your left and then cup the speedloader, THEN you eject the rounds (speedloader is already in your hand at this point) invert the revolver muzzle down, insert the loader, pop, rounds fall in, close it up and your back in the fight.

Again it's because he didn't pull the rounds from his left, so it IS GOOD that it shows you how to carry rounds and reload from right side like what he does. Adapt it like I explained above for rounds carried on the left side.

Very easy, very simple.

Hope that helps :)
 
Massad Ayoob is a good guy, but he learned that from Jerry Miculek.
"...rounds certainly were NOT as hot..." .38 Special to start with. Some .357's and .45 Colts though. Nothing done in the 30's compares with being done now.
"... a run-in with..." You won't have time to reload. If you've not sorted it out with what's in the firearm, you won't.
 
sunray said:
Massad Ayoob is a good guy, but he learned that from Jerry Miculek.
"...rounds certainly were NOT as hot..." .38 Special to start with. Some .357's and .45 Colts though. Nothing done in the 30's compares with being done now.
"... a run-in with..." You won't have time to reload. If you've not sorted it out with what's in the firearm, you won't.
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Yes and of course the .44, the .454 was a really hot one and then of course you had .45 caliber (any cartridge really) and now you have 10mm Auto revolvers, .41AE, .50AE and of course the "bear buster 2000" A.K.A. .500 S&W which WILL burn the skin right down to the bone if you're not careful.

You might not have MUCH time but still? In all honestly, work on the shooting and hope that, as you put it? what's in the firearm is enough. Of course, if you may get JUST ENOUGH TIME to pop in a new speedloader, moon clip or jet-loader if you stagger the target. Which of course SHOULD HAPPEN after 5 or 6 shots, especially out of a 10mm Auto, .44, .454 and anything in .50 caliber should at the VERY LEAST slow your target down OR give you an extra fraction of a second. JUST BARELY enough time to get back in the fight.

I say you ARE CORRECT but still? Don't discourage reloading anyways because you just MIGHT get that precious 2 seconds in there and I'd rather try anyways. I mean? As opposed NOT trying to reload at all and ending up wounded or worse, DEAD.

If you're gonna go down? Go down swingin'.
 
I ATC carry a .454 Casull and carry reloads for my Super Redhawk in HSK speedloaders and pouches. I probably (and hope) will never NEED a reload but I have them anyway.
 
geologist said:
I ATC carry a .454 Casull and carry reloads for my Super Redhawk in HSK speedloaders and pouches. I probably (and hope) will never NEED a reload but I have them anyway.
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Well you got yourself a good one there. I'd say a .454 Casull is a good one and hopefully you won't NEED to use it ever, let alone reload. That said? Even IF the threat is DOWN? Always reload because you NEVER KNOW. Something else might come by. What kind of load do you use, just curious?
 
Exactly! When I was Black Badge instructing, we had a hard time breaking cops from using the PPC dump. It cost a lot of them a DQ for muzzle violations. When they used the old - "I'm not that dextrous with my left hand .... " excuse, we'd hand him a 1911 and loaded mag and ask him to insert it.

Strange how someone who can insert a magazine into a 1911 with the left hand can claim that it is more difficult with a revolver speed loader where all you have to do is find a chamber with a couple of rounds and the rest follow suit.

This also keeps the gun in the strong hand and allows for better muzzle control. With practice you can learn to do it on the run or at least have the speed loader ready to insert when you get to next shooting position.


geologist said:
I'm surprised that for the reload he switches hands. Why not keep your revolver in your right hand after the eject and draw and load your speedloader with the left hand?

I can do this though I admit that I am slightly ambidextrous.
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TylerM said:
Well you got yourself a good one there. I'd say a .454 Casull is a good one and hopefully you won't NEED to use it ever, let alone reload. That said? Even IF the threat is DOWN? Always reload because you NEVER KNOW. Something else might come by. What kind of load do you use, just curious?
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Winchester full house 300 grain SPs. They chrony around 1650 fps out of my 7.5" SRH.
 
Using http://billstclair.com/energy.html

I punched those numbers in there and got just a hair over 1800 foot pounds. That's quite a load actually! Damn!

Compared to a .44 which was in the 750~800 ft-lbs range, that should work! :cheers:

If that don't work for ya? There's always 12 gauge slugs. If that doesn't work? You need to invest in something fully automatic, preferably belt-fed and probably in the 12.7mm to 30mm range lol

All jokes aside? I really hope you don't have to use it :)
 
TylerM said:
Using http://billstclair.com/energy.html

I punched those numbers in there and got just a hair over 1800 foot pounds. That's quite a load actually! Damn!

Compared to a .44 which was in the 750~800 ft-lbs range, that should work! :cheers:

If that don't work for ya? There's always 12 gauge slugs. If that doesn't work? You need to invest in something fully automatic, preferably belt-fed and probably in the 12.7mm to 30mm range lol

All jokes aside? I really hope you don't have to use it :)
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It's still less energy than a 150 gr 30-30 so I'd rather not ever have to use it unless there is no other choice.
 
plinker 777 said:
Sweet...methinks that's a University edumacated buoy!
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Lol. I just pulled and linked to the first decent one I could find. Yeah, that's all you get in NY state now. 7 rounds. But it's okay to have the full 10 if you're on the range but fighting for your life? Fire 8? Go to jail, even WITH a CHL. Fire 7 and you're fine. Smh yeah that's what New Yorkers have to deal with now. At least outside of NYC? You can get a CHL in alot of areas. In NYC? Forget it lol. Also, CHL's NOT issued by the NYPD aren't recognized in NYC. So they screw you there too.
 
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