Why not Browning for long distance precision?

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This may be a foolish question but I am wanting to get into precision shooting and I am trying to learn more about the rifles. I read a lot about Remington, Savage, Tikka and Sako. I can't find anything about a Browning rifle in this form. Is there a reason that they are not a popular choice for long range precision?

Forgive my ignorance just hoping to learn a thing or two...

Thanks...
 
Accuracy shooters tend to go with actions that produce the best accuracy and have a good selection of aftermarket accessories.

Browning makes a good hunting rifle with limited aftermarket accessories.
 
Accuracy shooters tend to go with actions that produce the best accuracy and have a good selection of aftermarket accessories.

Browning makes a good hunting rifle with limited aftermarket accessories.

I'm curious about this too...

If Browning makes (allegedly) factory-bedded, free-floating rifles, what's the problem? Are there features like recoil lugs or shape of the receiver that aren't conducive to precision shooting?... Are the barrels or triggers inadequate for competition?
 
This is the Precision Rifle forum... where more than factory hunting rifles are required to be competitive.
 
Browning makes some nice precision rifles, like the M1000 Eclipse, and as for out of the box accuracy they are probably as good as anything I can think of in North America, except they are a Browning design. The lugs scare off some people since they percieve them to be harder to work on than something more simple like a 2 lug gun, as well you will hear some complaints about the barrels in them being hard to get out, but ultimately in my experience, thier price, and craptacular magazines put them out of contention. If you are working on the basis of buying a gun, then overhauling it, the Brownings are an expensive starting point, stock options are limited until now (some nice ones showing up). For the price point you will be in, most people would just go to a higher end rifle and call it a day. Lastly the magazines are shi*. Thier mags are a good hunting rifle design but blow at everything else. Using them from a bench or prone requires three hands, and thats where I left them, for example.
For years the only 'precision-ish' rig that Browning had was the m1000 in 300wm, they have slowly opened thier line up, with that I think you will see more of them creeping in, but it will be Browning owners driving it, dont expect builders or suppliers to rush to them.
 
I get the lack of aftermarket support for Browning firearms being a turn off. i find it hard to believe that Browning actions with a quality kreiger/shilen etc barrel are not accurate enough to be competitive in F-class. When I attend matches I see a fair few Remington actions on the line doing well, driven by great shooters mind you. Which are "hunting grade" actions
 
Thanks for the replies, in F class do the rifles have to be stock from the manufacturers? Or do I have that wrong? If you took a Remington 5R against a Browning A bolt and put the same scope on it what would be the difference in the results? I understand the desire to customize and make things your own but I am just not sure on what the difference is on the "2 lug bolt" vs the Browning action Like I said I do not know very much about rifles. I have a couple of old 303 Enfields and a 3030 Winchester but have never fired a rifle with a scope on a serious basis. Precision is new to me and I want to understand the limitations of various actions. If you took cost out of the equation would a Browning rifle from the factory shoot on par with a Remington or Sako in factory configuration?
 
I get the lack of aftermarket support for Browning firearms being a turn off. i find it hard to believe that Browning actions with a quality kreiger/shilen etc barrel are not accurate enough to be competitive in F-class. When I attend matches I see a fair few Remington actions on the line doing well, driven by great shooters mind you. Which are "hunting grade" actions

I guess instead of "Browning" we should be referring to the model as well... as we do with Remington and 700... I am sure you could barrel up a Browning model '?' and have to shoot very well... but who makes a decent trigger for it? As well as a decent stock, etc. etc. And some actions are inherently more accurate than others... the 700 being a proven one and considerably cheaper and easier to work with than an A Bolt.
 
What typically happens when building a precision rifle is that several of the stock parts get swapped out for better versions. Choosing a rifle that *has* aftermarket parts makes the process far easier, faster and cheaper. So picking a less-popular design is an uphill battle. Which is not to say it isn't possible to take almost any decent bolt gun and make a precision rifle out of it, it just is a poorer choice for the above-listed reasons.

Typically the factory stock, barrel, and trigger will be replaced if you have started out with a hunting-grade rifle. There wiil be other work done too. Unless you're planning on doing your own precision machining, you'll need a gunsmith. Trust me, you want to supply an action a gunsmith regularly works on, they're be happier and faster, which also translates to less dollars too.

It could be argued that you should shop for a gunsmith first, and find out which actions they are comfortable working with, and make your choice from those. Good gunsmiths are harder to locate than candidate rifle actions, consider carefully.

If I was doing a precision rifle build from scratch today, I would probably go with a Stevens 200 as the base and go from there. I'm personally not a Remington action fan, others are.
 
The lack of aftermarket support must be the main reason. It certainly isn't quality or out of the box accuracey. I own an X-Bolt Varmint Stalker in .308 and I love it. It's a damn tack driver for an out of the box gun and I'd put it up against anything. Free floating, glass bedded, heavy barrel etc... From what I've seen Browning seems to make guns that don't need a lot of big aftermarket upgrades.

What mags are you talking about Dosing? I have no problem with the one in mine. Although personally I have no use for guns without detachable mags either.
 
What mags are you talking about Dosing? I have no problem with the one in mine. Although personally I have no use for guns without detachable mags either.

Standard Browning style mags, with the detachable clip in the hinged floorplate. To open those when shooting from a bipod or a bag it can be a real PITA. In order to get the floorplate to clear wide enough to stuff rounds into the gun you have to really break postion. I would go to a Browning again, but only when they either go to a proper drop mag, or a proper internal. Thier hybrid is a needlessly complicated design. A great example of Brownings refusal to answer customers requests.
 
Standard Browning style mags, with the detachable clip in the hinged floorplate. To open those when shooting from a bipod or a bag it can be a real PITA. In order to get the floorplate to clear wide enough to stuff rounds into the gun you have to really break postion. I would go to a Browning again, but only when they either go to a proper drop mag, or a proper internal. Thier hybrid is a needlessly complicated design. A great example of Brownings refusal to answer customers requests.

That's all changed with X-Bolts. Now it's just a standard composite detachable mag. No hinged plate hybrid system anymore.
 
Any rifle In factory form accurate enough to compete will be satisfactory, it doesn't matter who makes it.
Being satisfied with factory triggers and stock shapes is where things can get sticky, if no aftermarket support
exist for the rifle then a rebarrel is all you will be limited to doing an that might be enough if everything
else about the rifle suits you. We all learned to shoot with factory rifles and slowly migrated into the custom
market after discovering where and what the rifles limitations were, it takes time and you will surely cross this point in time
so for now shoot what you have and enjoy the sport.
BB
 
Brownings are pretty hunting rifles meant to look pretty in some yuppies display case and shoot okay once a year.
 
With Browning you are paying for the name and quality/fit and finish. It is hard to argue that an X-Bolt isn't a nicer gun than a comparable Savage, lets say the Browning X-Bolt Stalker vs the Savage 111. The stock is nicer, the action is smoother, the magazine is arguably a better design, etc. What is impossible to argue, from my own personal experience, is that the Browning will outshoot the Savage.

If you want a really nice hunting gun that is certainly accurate enough for that purpose, the Browning wins.

If you're fine with a gun that isn't quite as refined, but will shoot better, save you money, and have the option to customize it to suit your needs, then the Savage might be the gun for you.

I will admit I have very little experience with Remington 700s. I don't understand why they use such a dumb hinged floorplate instead of a detachable magazine. It should be an option. For that reason I have steered clear of the 700. I don't want to have to spend hundreds of dollars to get a decent detachable mag kit, along with a decent stock to go with it. I just wouldn't be happy with the factory set up and don't see the sense of dropping all sorts of cash to be happy with it when I could go with a Savage and enjoy it straight away.

Sorry for the little ramble, just had to get that disclaimer out there. I have shot many different X-bolts in a few different calibers. They were all accurate, around 1.5 moa on average. Some guns a little tighter. They aren't inaccurate, just not as accurate as other more sensible choices.
 
I find their 1885 models to be very accurate. No worries about magazine problems. However, they don't make them anymore. To the OP...Browning makes an accurate hunting rifle, but there are few if any after-market parts available for creating a precision rifle.
 
I think one shot king got it 1.5 moa is excellent for hunting with big heavy round nose bullets that knock things down but when your talking precision or target shooting you need much better precision and you will be able to find gun smiths to change barrels when needed and to do trigger jobs to but they were never intended for that purpose and will cost more to get the work done for something that may work as good or not if I hade the money I might try that a bolt from the browning custom shop that's designed for target get a trigger job and bedded and see what happens but you are probably better off to go with what is commonly performing well
but if non one tries anything new nothing will change and no one will know its just that the target game is nothing like the precision hunting rifle the best target rifle makes a terrible hunting rifle and vice versa
 
I have been kicking around rifle ranges for a few years and been to a shooting competition or two. I have probably seen a few thousand target rifles built on a lot of different actions that most people here would never have heard of. I have only seen on F Class rifle built on a Browning action.

As it has been stated above Browning makes a very nice hunting rifle, that is accurate enough for it's intended purpose, shooting game. However a 1.5 MOA average rifle will put you on the bottom of the prize list in a F Class competition, were the bull is 1 MOA and the V Bull is 1/2 MOA.
 
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