First AR help !

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My first AR15

So here I am after 2 years with my Rpal its time for me to get the mighty AR15

Ive read many thread and like them I dont know if I should build mine or buy one
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Building myself?:

I would have many advantage such as:
  • The best barrel I can have (noveske) and quality internals parts.
  • Save some money by not buying double piece of equipment (new stock and grip and more if I buy one already assembled)


But I would also have disadvantage such as:
  • Need to assemble it myself and could make errors resulting into a big kaboom.
  • My lake of knowledge could drive me into a wall


Building one?:

I would have many advantage such as:
  • Saving time and hassle of buying all the parts
  • Having a out of box gun ready to shoot


But I would also have disadvantage such as:
  • QC hit or miss?
  • Dont know which brand to get
  • Not as accurate and personalized to my taste


Barrel Lenght?:

I read about it and came to the conclusion that the 14.5 inch and the 16 inch are the most versatile but still dont know the advantage of such lenght compared to other


Which brand if I buy?

I know some good brand such as KAC , LMT , NOVESKE, ETC but they are also really expensive. I would like an AR15 between 1500$ and 2000$ after the tax
but I really dont know where to start with and which company sell them.

Please refrain from naming norinco, NEA and such brand Im looking for higher brand AR. I want something good at the start cause I know ill want something good later on.

Optic?:

I would also need suggestion on which optic to mount on the gun from holoseight to scope Im mindless.. Dont know which brand are good ..


So??!

Thank you for helping me guys your experience is gold for me. That such a nice forum :) Btw tell me if I miss something about the ar15!
 
Check out the EE for a lower that you like, and then an upper that you like as well. Or go for a DD pre-built.

Does that $2000 include glass?

A decent DD will set you back the $2000 after taxes, and it is one hell of a rifle from what the guys on here say.

Also, is it an AR-15 that you have your heart set on, or would you be open to other, similar guns for a little more or a little less $$.

The AR is a bad-ass gun, but limited to range use only.
 
Here you go ;)
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?953360-Spikes-ST-15

$2000 package deal and I'll include the ATRS barrel including shipping.

For your first AR I would suggest buying a complete gun then as you become familiar with the platform you can modify it or build another one. Not many people stay with just one AR anyway. The one I just put together is my 4th direct impingement rifle and I have 2 piston rifles.
They are so modular you can mix and match uppers and lowers and barrels and everything else to make it just like you want then when your tastes change you can change the rifle or just build a new upper.

If you are experienced with minor gunsmithing and are willing to put in the time to do the research needed and willing to buy the tools to do it right there is no reason you can't put one together yourself for your first rifle but don't fool yourself, if your are not good with this kind of stuff just buy one already built. You don't save much money building one but you do as you mentioned end up with exactly what you wanted going in to the project.


As for optics it really depends what you want to do with the rifle. If you are going to sit at the bench and shoot 300+ yards you will need a much different optic than if you plan to do 3-gun or shoot mostly at 50yds
You need to also decide on a budget for optics. You can spend anywhere from $80-$2000 on a sighting system.
I have a Hi-Lux CMR 1-4x24 which works very well and was $400 and I have a Elcan Specter DR which is amazing but costs around $2000, If you want more magnification there are scopes like the Sightron SIII 1-7x24 or Nightforce 1-4 or 3-10 around $1500. The options are endless so more info is needed if you want help narrowing it down.

Good luck
 
Buy a complete rifle if it's your first. Wolverine Supplies sells Daniel Defense and it would be my recommendation. There was literally no play between receivers on every model i handled. I'm extremely impressed with the quality of these carbines. Knight's Armament Company would be my other recommendation. I have many parts from both companies.

I just switched from a 16.5" barrel to a Daniel Defense 14.5" barrel. I couldn't be happier.

If you're looking for a red dot/reflex sight, look at the EOTech EXPS. Or save your money and buy an Elcan SpecterDr 1-4X. With the flip of a lever the Elcan goes from 1x to 4x. No twisting to magnify like a hunting scope or crappy mounts.

I hope this helps. If you're looking for quality optics / rails / parts, check out the US SOCOM program. That should send you down the "correct" path. If you can figure out what you want to do with the rifle first (CQB, SDMR, heavy barreled target) it'll make your decision easier.
 
I would buy your first AR, shoot it , strip it and clean it, examine it and become familiar with its operation. Then you can build your AR.

For a first AR I would buy a Stag Arms from Arms East. Stag makes a large variety of different AR's and they have a fantastic warranty.
 
For the money you're looking to spend...I'd choose Daniel Defense Mk18 (shorter barrel but will still do what you're wanting) or a Bravo Company BFH barreled AR when OneShot gets them in
 
Stag arms 16" or a Daniel defense 16". Both are quality and come from solid retailers. Arms east and wolverine respectively.

The Daniel defense come with more toys, free float rails etc, but the stag is cheaper and will leave you room for an aimpoint pro as your red dot optic. If you are shooting at 100-200 yards or less, it is all you will need.

Run it for a bit and you can always get silly with the Gucci gear if you get the bug and want to spend more money later on.
 
so whats is wrong with the Canadian made nea. I have a new nea 10.5 and the fit and finish and function is far better then my bushmaster and Daniel defence. Wouldn't trade the nea on the other two. and Canadian made puts it one up
 
DDMK18 between your price range, good quality. A little smaller length then what u asked for (10.3") but overall very nice firearm. And for optic throw on a Eotech or Aimpoint and your golden. That's what I did for my first and have no regrets. Then down the line when your more comfortable with the AR platform nothing is stopping you from making that perfect rifle that's has everything you want.
 
so whats is wrong with the Canadian made nea. I have a new nea 10.5 and the fit and finish and function is far better then my bushmaster and Daniel defence. Wouldn't trade the nea on the other two. and Canadian made puts it one up
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Its a young Company working out kinks from what I believe. correct me if I'm wrong??


sorry for double post
 
They got there stuff together you should look at the new ones. And why not support a Canadian company they had a rough star but they are right up there now you should look at the new ones. Lots of people whine that we are losing Canadian companies and jobs but wont support Canadian companies.
 
If under $2000, I'd go for DDM4, around $1600 plus tax. Very hard to beat.
Go for a Canadian made, for $500 more you might able to get a ATRS build, but depends on the configuration.
Barrel, upper, lower, bcg, lpk looking at about $1850 plus tax.
Depends on your choice of rail or handguard and stock $2500 might enough to build one.
And they build everything for you for a little premium. You can either send them the parts you like or buy from them directly.
 
IMHO... Don't set a limit for $2000 with optics. Instead, spend the budget on the rifle and back up sights. You'll want the highest quality rifle possible. Buy once, cry once...

There are many options for optics so the time it takes you to save up for the optic, you will make up your mind. I struggled between EOTech and Aimpoint for quite a while after I purchased the rifle. Ended up going with EOTech and couldn't be happier. Unless it was an Elcan SpecterDr... :)

Daniel Defense's MK18 is amazing. I built the big brother, the M4A1. It has a 14.5" barrel and the M4A1 RIS II rail. It is ideal for everything I need it for. My next build will be the MK18 though. If I knew then what I did now I would've bought the MK18 for my first.
 
maggiemay said:
so whats is wrong with the Canadian made nea. I have a new nea 10.5 and the fit and finish and function is far better then my bushmaster and Daniel defence. Wouldn't trade the nea on the other two. and Canadian made puts it one up
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Did u just compared bushmaster to Daniel defense???

Nea has to build up its reputation first
 
charlesquik said:
but is the mk18 accurate cause 10.3 inch is really short and made for CQB no?
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They are quite accurate, depending on how far out you plan on shooting. You lose velocity from the shorter barrel but at any distance under 200 metres that has a negligible impact. Real question is what you are planning on using it for. For ORA style CQB matches absolutely rock the mk18, that is what I run myself. If you are mainly bench shooting from 100 yards or longer go 16" or 14.5" , if you are shooting long distance matches, you will want a 16" or something even longer to play with.

When I started I bought a 20" govt style stag, great gun and works great at SR matches. Took it to CQB and decided I needed something shorter and got a 10.5" upper a season later, loved it and bought a lower to go with it the next season. Truly developed the disease now and I am one piece (Geissele rail) away from a 12.5" Noveske home build project.

So.....Were I to do it again a 16" would be my choice, does everything well..... Or just buy two or three different lengths right off the bat and skip the intermediary steps of the disease!
 
Canadian eh! said:
They are quite accurate, depending on how far out you plan on shooting. You lose velocity from the shorter barrel but at any distance under 200 metres that has a negligible impact. Real question is what you are planning on using it for. For ORA style CQB matches absolutely rock the mk18, that is what I run myself. If you are mainly bench shooting from 100 yards or longer go 16" or 14.5" , if you are shooting long distance matches, you will want a 16" or something even longer to play with.

When I started I bought a 20" govt style stag, great gun and works great at SR matches. Took it to CQB and decided I needed something shorter and got a 10.5" upper a season later, loved it and bought a lower to go with it the next season. Truly developed the disease now and I am one piece (Geissele rail) away from a 12.5" Noveske home build project.

So.....Were I to do it again a 16" would be my choice, does everything well..... Or just buy two or three different lengths right off the bat and skip the intermediary steps of the disease!
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well I will only shoot it at the range for 100-200 yard (cant take it on the bush sadly...thank you canada :p)
 
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