Let's play name that rare no longer produced .338 projectile!!!
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Mystic Precision
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Lost River...
Jerry
Jerry
rnbra-shooter
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Interesting bullet; very aggressive secant ogive (nearly conical).
Looks like it was machined (very small meplat; and possibly if my eyes don't deceive me extremely fine tooling marks on the nose).
No idea of the particular bullet name. Best SWAG I have is perhaps it was made by Lost River Ballistics,
Looks like it was machined (very small meplat; and possibly if my eyes don't deceive me extremely fine tooling marks on the nose).
No idea of the particular bullet name. Best SWAG I have is perhaps it was made by Lost River Ballistics,
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Yes Lost River Ballistics 270 gr projectile! Who has experience with them and what kind of results could you expect? Would they be worth reproducing?
rnba-shooter 2nd place Government worker
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Yes Lost River Ballistics 270 gr projectile! Who has experience with them and what kind of results could you expect? Would they be worth reproducing?
Mystic Precision
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- Location
- Summerland, BC
Well, there is no debate.... I have no life 
They are out of business cause their product was never deemed to be consistently accurate. And I am sure a bunch of other internal issues.
Being able to produce a solid lathe turned (machined turned) bullet would be great if performance could be figured out. Saves all the headaches of sourcing jackets, forming dies and such.
Talking to machinists, the ability to hold tolerances we demand on a spinning machine is far more difficult then I thought but if someone has the tools and skills to figure it out, there is a huge market.
AFAIK, other companies around the world making or trying to make lathe turned bullets have not really been all that successful. The larger bores seems to have had better luck with 50BMG shooters doing ok with lathe turned bullets.
But then, how accurate are they compared to small bore?
I think some are trying to make their product too extreme and hoping that super high BC will sell. The aerodynamics of a solid projectile vs the jacketed/cored bullet has to be better examined. A solid bullet just doesn't balance out the same so maybe a radically different shape is needed to make it all work.
A dream project for me when I am retired and have buckets of money
Jerry
They are out of business cause their product was never deemed to be consistently accurate. And I am sure a bunch of other internal issues.
Being able to produce a solid lathe turned (machined turned) bullet would be great if performance could be figured out. Saves all the headaches of sourcing jackets, forming dies and such.
Talking to machinists, the ability to hold tolerances we demand on a spinning machine is far more difficult then I thought but if someone has the tools and skills to figure it out, there is a huge market.
AFAIK, other companies around the world making or trying to make lathe turned bullets have not really been all that successful. The larger bores seems to have had better luck with 50BMG shooters doing ok with lathe turned bullets.
But then, how accurate are they compared to small bore?
I think some are trying to make their product too extreme and hoping that super high BC will sell. The aerodynamics of a solid projectile vs the jacketed/cored bullet has to be better examined. A solid bullet just doesn't balance out the same so maybe a radically different shape is needed to make it all work.
A dream project for me when I am retired and have buckets of money
Jerry
Well, there is no debate.... I have no life
They are out of business cause their product was never deemed to be consistently accurate. And I am sure a bunch of other internal issues.
Being able to produce a solid lathe turned (machined turned) bullet would be great if performance could be figured out. Saves all the headaches of sourcing jackets, forming dies and such.
Talking to machinists, the ability to hold tolerances we demand on a spinning machine is far more difficult then I thought but if someone has the tools and skills to figure it out, there is a huge market.
AFAIK, other companies around the world making or trying to make lathe turned bullets have not really been all that successful. The larger bores seems to have had better luck with 50BMG shooters doing ok with lathe turned bullets.
But then, how accurate are they compared to small bore?
I think some are trying to make their product too extreme and hoping that super high BC will sell. The aerodynamics of a solid projectile vs the jacketed/cored bullet has to be better examined. A solid bullet just doesn't balance out the same so maybe a radically different shape is needed to make it all work.
A dream project for me when I am retired and have buckets of money
Jerry
Jerry have you loaded the 270 gr LRBs and tested them? The feed back I have recieved so far from my contacts in the US as well as a posting on Snipershide is that they shoot very well. The problem is they foul the barrel quicker and are very hard to produce without a very specific process to keep heat out of the work piece so tolerances are kept precise. I do know there are turning centers that would work well but cost effectiveness would be a serious issue as that specialized machinery is probably working on larger profit orders. In the end I could see cost per projectile would be much higher than say 300 gr Scenars.
Mystic Precision
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- Location
- Summerland, BC
No more big boomers for me.
The process is very straightforward but the equipment and method to make it precisely seems to be a lot harder then one might think,
Let us know if you get tooled up to make some slugs. Would love to test some heavy'ish 30cals.
Jerry
The process is very straightforward but the equipment and method to make it precisely seems to be a lot harder then one might think,
Let us know if you get tooled up to make some slugs. Would love to test some heavy'ish 30cals.
Jerry
Well, there is no debate.... I have no life
They are out of business cause their product was never deemed to be consistently accurate. And I am sure a bunch of other internal issues.
Being able to produce a solid lathe turned (machined turned) bullet would be great if performance could be figured out. Saves all the headaches of sourcing jackets, forming dies and such.
Talking to machinists, the ability to hold tolerances we demand on a spinning machine is far more difficult then I thought but if someone has the tools and skills to figure it out, there is a huge market.
AFAIK, other companies around the world making or trying to make lathe turned bullets have not really been all that successful. The larger bores seems to have had better luck with 50BMG shooters doing ok with lathe turned bullets.
But then, how accurate are they compared to small bore?
I think some are trying to make their product too extreme and hoping that super high BC will sell. The aerodynamics of a solid projectile vs the jacketed/cored bullet has to be better examined. A solid bullet just doesn't balance out the same so maybe a radically different shape is needed to make it all work.
A dream project for me when I am retired and have buckets of money
Jerry
only way you could get a turned projectile to be accurate all the time would be if the machine was in perfect shape, you replaced the cutter after each projectile made, and somehow had a way to accurately measure the the Um the tool nose so it would cut the next one exactly the same. just not possible yet with today's machines that would make producing projectiles cost effective.
ways that can help would be tooling with liquid nitrogen traveling through it to keep it cold. it should also keep the part cool as it would freeze the chip as soon as it was cut. that would help with the tool life, but brass/copper is REALLY hard to turn, it acts a lot like plastic and is oddly very hard on tools for how soft it is.
I've been thinking of eventually turning some bullets as well just to try personally, but cost effectiveness is definitely a big issue for anyone who wants to do that as a business. Way I see it the manufacturing costs would leave no room for dealer mark up and require direct sale at a slight premium, which usually means fairly small market, and even so much of the profit in such a set up would come from the scrap dealer.
Making them accurately and QC isn't that big an issue in manufacturing terms, there's tooling that will go all day or all week on copper or brass and parts done by the million every year to tolerances much more accurate than a bullet needs.
It's just paying for it making bullets that is nearly impossible.
Making them accurately and QC isn't that big an issue in manufacturing terms, there's tooling that will go all day or all week on copper or brass and parts done by the million every year to tolerances much more accurate than a bullet needs.
It's just paying for it making bullets that is nearly impossible.
They certainly look like some of the .408 projectiles I have. Very pronounced VLD style nose.
Someone needs to spend some time on ring airfoil bullets for long range rifles, especially heavy calibres. I've shot RA rounds out of revolvers and the trajectory is amazingly flat out beyond 200m. Which is more than you'd expect from a snub nosed 38.
As I said, nothing complicated about it in terms of manufacturing so long as the ROI is there. It's done 24/7/365 on much harder materials to microns, I can guarantee you that liquid nitrogen and changing tip every part has no place in it, and copper finishes great. But I'm not gonna get into a whole study on this on here, no point.
It would be a much harder task to convince people to pay the premium price when the bullets currently available are already shooting so accurate/consistently. There's enough people debating between a $39 box of bullets vs a $41 one as it is, let alone 3-4X that for a potential ballistic gain that only a select few could ever notice or have use for at very long range, and those shooters are generally already putting them all in the V bull anyway.
Then you get a few people who try them out in some factory rifles with no set/controlled parameters for a worthy comparison who then blog on the net about how those bullets aren't worth anything(as has happened with many other things), and that can quickly hurt an investment.
Bullets currently available are far from the weak point in my shooting
, though I'll eventually turn some for myself for the fun of it. I was repointing the meplat of bullets on the lathe, but after a few hundred couldn't even see a difference from that, we need a 1000yard indoor range As I said, nothing complicated about it in terms of manufacturing so long as the ROI is there. It's done 24/7/365 on much harder materials to microns, I can guarantee you that liquid nitrogen and changing tip every part has no place in it, and copper finishes great. But I'm not gonna get into a whole study on this on here, no point.
It would be a much harder task to convince people to pay the premium price when the bullets currently available are already shooting so accurate/consistently. There's enough people debating between a $39 box of bullets vs a $41 one as it is, let alone 3-4X that for a potential ballistic gain that only a select few could ever notice or have use for at very long range, and those shooters are generally already putting them all in the V bull anyway.
Then you get a few people who try them out in some factory rifles with no set/controlled parameters for a worthy comparison who then blog on the net about how those bullets aren't worth anything(as has happened with many other things), and that can quickly hurt an investment.
Bullets currently available are far from the weak point in my shooting
