Updated...Uh-oh..........Husqvarna..........?

From your updated pics showing the Monte-Carlo stock it's definitely a 4000.
The correct rear sight would the same as the one showed be lledwod. They were often removed as they did not always allow some scopes to be mounted low.

If you want to keep it vintage and install a receiver sight, then, it will be a Lyman 57HVA.
 
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Baribal said:
From your updated pics showing the Monte-Carlo stock it's definitely a 4000.
The correct rear sight would the same as the one showed be lledwod. They were often removed as they did not always allow some scopes to be mounted low.

If you want to keep it vintage and install a receiver sight, then, it will be a Lyman 57HVA.
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There is no rear sight dovetail on the barrel.
The receiver serial number doesn't match the number on the barrel.
There is a four digit number etched into the bottom of the bolt which matches the numbers
on the barrel.
Is this a normal thing or has the rifle been altered?

Thanks for the generous info............:wave:
 
But you have a dovetail cut, right ? - maybe it's filled by a plug, under the scope? To not have one would be something unusual, one as you have a front sight, second as all the 1640/1600 series have sights from the factory. Anyhow, you should have a dovetail, as the barrel looks original (the Nitro stamp is a Swedish proofmark and the fonts and rollstamp are the correct ones on the barrel).

There was an option for a folding sight but you mostly see these on European rifles (and yours is definitely an original Canadian or US import).

Prior to 1968 US Firearm Act, a lot if not most rifle manufacturers only put the S/N on the barrel. Actually, it would have been pretty strange to have the serial number stamped on the receiver for any of the 1640/1600 series (from what we know, the receiver numbers were "work order" or whatever, but not S/N).
But the etched number is what it's supposed to be.
 
There is no markings, slug, nadda on the top rear barrel.
Eye studied her hard and not even the remoteness of screws.
RARE...............................huh?
Price went trew da rewf.
Nope, I've been robbed.
Warranty kon sidder aye shun?
 
Hey kamlooky

Your gun is totally correct and original. It is an early 4000 which has a slightly different monte carlo stock design than the later ones. The early 4000s had no dovetail cut in the barrel like yours. The last 4 digits of the serial # on the barrel should be engraved in the bottom of the bolt handle. The later 4000s had the three leaf(two folding) rear sight. I have factory literature showing the early guns having no dovetail and later ones having the 3 leaf sight. Your gun is desirable in that it has the steel bottom metal unit and there were a lot more 4100s than 4000s made with the steel unit. The 4000s began showing up with rear sights sometime after the bottom metal unit was changed to alloy.(serial #220,000) All the 4000s I have owned without a rear sight cutout had the steel bottom metal. The earliest alloy 4000 I have owned with a rear sight was around serial #235###. Hope this helps.
 
264magnum said:
Hey kamlooky

Your gun is totally correct and original. It is an early 4000 which has a slightly different monte carlo stock design than the later ones. The early 4000s had no dovetail cut in the barrel like yours. The last 4 digits of the serial # on the barrel should be engraved in the bottom of the bolt handle. It is. The later 4000s had the three leaf(two folding) rear sight. I have factory literature showing the early guns having no dovetail and later ones having the 3 leaf sight. Your gun is desirable in that it has the steel bottom metal unit and there were a lot more 4100s than 4000s made with the steel unit. (It does.) The 4000s began showing up with rear sights sometime after the bottom metal unit was changed to alloy.(serial #220,000) All the 4000s I have owned without a rear sight cutout had the steel bottom metal. The earliest alloy 4000 I have owned with a rear sight was around serial #235###. Hope this helps.
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Thanks 264magnum.
Just curious as to what would fetch a decent load?
The long four line rifling and the deep throat.
Not sure where to start on making reloaded ammo for her.
I have some made up for the Chilean 1895 Modelo Mauser.
IMR 4320 at 41grs with old Hornady 154 grn Interlock's.
I am going to try and bust the myth about the lazy twist and shoot
some old on hand Imperial 160gr KKSP.
There's them big letters again.
Going to tackle them thar sturgeon shortly and maybe do the Airport Road
choot'in.
Camper's on, so should be sum gun powder near.
 
I just have to ask the vital question, since it seems not to have come up.
Did this rifle come drilled and tapped for scope bases, or heaven forbid, it was done later?
Not meaning to rain on your picnic, but I'm thinking the latter happened.
Maybe Baribal and/or 264Magnum will know.
 
No picnic here H, and by the tunder'in clouds, the rain is coming yer way........I kid you not.

Here's a few more photos.
No dovetail and no left side receiver holes for a peep sight mount.

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Here is a clearer photo of the rear barrel to show the lack of a dovetail and or plug.

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There are a couple plugged holes on the right rear receiver, just under the rear scope mount.
Could be for a right mounted peep base?
Bruce, you do raise an interesting question.
Forgive the yuckiness. Cleaned up good and proper now.

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A photo of the markings under the bolt handle as 264magnum mentioned in his reply.

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Last, but not least, the Schnable..................Schnabel...........Schnubble..........Schnooooobel

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And her belly............ : D

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Well, 264Magnum, you rang some bells to me. I have had (and still have) several early 1600 Std/4100 and they all have the dovetail, but now I recall some 4000 did not (I prefer the straight comb stock for these "lightweight rifles). I have one 1600 in my hands, right now, from 1954 (s/n 176###) and it gets the dovetail.... see pic below.

Can you point me out to which ad you are referring to? The only ad I have that shows a 4000/4100 without the rear sight is the Tradewinds of September 1956 titled "Kalitet Handverk" and this would be the correct one for Kamlooky's rifle.
From "the records", it seems that these "no dovetail" are "4000" 'til about S/N 208 ###, the 4100 all having rear sight dovetail (or rear sights). There was many more 4100 sold than 4000.
I'll try finding some time to post the pic of the 1956 ad tomorrow or so.

BTW, Skydevaaben site is just a numeric copy of the small HVA Museum book and contains all the errors / omissions (like the 4000/4100 infos) and we have a wide range of pre 203 ### rifles known (including a bunch of 7X57) , all from the year 1956 (from late 1955 -early 1956 production, it appears).

The alloy trigger guard only appeared around 1958 (S/N 220 000) and in the Tredewinds ads below, you can see they all show rear sights;

Tradewinds 1958 / Model 4100
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Tradewinds 1955 / Model 4100
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Tradewinds 1957 / Model 4100
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"Lightweight" of 1954
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Bruce,
Except for only one model (the 1640K is sometimes found without d&t and it also have a "bead blasted" finish and no checkering at all), the 1640 / 1600 were ALL factory d&t for Weaver type mounts + receiver sights.
 
Baribal said:
Bruce,
Except for only one model (the 1640K is sometimes found without d&t and it also have a "bead blasted" finish and no checkering at all), the 1640 / 1600 were ALL factory d&t for Weaver type mounts + receiver sights.
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Glad to hear that.
Looky said that viewing it from the bottom, the inside with the bolt out, the holes appeared to be perfect, like the factory would have done.
 
Hey Baribal

The ad that talks about the 4000 having no rear sight or dovetail cutout is the 1957 Lightweight Champion of the World one. I am sure I have it somewhere else too but can't think of it at the moment. There is a reproduction of this ad on eBay right now you guys can go read if you are interested. I sent you an HVA brochure that speaks of the 3 leaf sight on the late 4000s to your email. The Husqvarnas in 7x57 like the lighter 140 grain bullets due to the slow twist but I have not loaded for one of these rifles a lot. Maybe someone else could chime in like Why Not as I know he has loaded a bunch for a 4100 in 7x57.
 
The three leaf sights were astandard on the "Imperial" models, were they "Lightweight" (7000) or "Custom" (6000). The basic models (and even the "Presentation") had the "spring" type, adjustable open sights. In the other hand, the sights were available from HVA distributors as aftermarket or optional sights.
And while digging my stuff, I saw the 1961 Tradewinds ad showing a 4000 without rear sight, and I have the 1957 "Champion" ad and you are correct, it shows the 4000 at the bottom. Must have been on drugs of somekind... whitout knowing :) .

As for the Tradewinds bases, that usually means they were installed when the rifle was first delivered. They are a great addition to your rifle's authenticity.
 
264magnum said:
The Husqvarnas in 7x57 like the lighter 140 grain bullets due to the slow twist but I have not loaded for one of these rifles a lot. Maybe someone else could chime in like Why Not as I know he has loaded a bunch for a 4100 in 7x57.
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I spent a great deal of time and bullets loading for mine and the absolute best and heaviest bullet it would handle was the 150 gr. Winchester Power Point, anything heavier simply keyholed. A late '50s vintage BSA I played with at the same time had a much tighter left hand twist barrel and would handle any bullet weight from 115 gr. to 175 with very good accuracy.
Also the old BSA weighs about the same as my lightweight Husky did in spite of having a longer barrel.
 
Baribal said:
As for the Tradewinds bases, that usually means they were installed when the rifle was first delivered. They are a great addition to your rifle's authenticity.
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So we've tightened up the age of this gal to 1957.......ish?

What scope would be age correct for this gal and where could I possibly find one? ....hint hint.

The scope on her is in badly need of a Korth tune up. I think that they will probably replace it given
the shape and scarring of the ocular lense. Then she would look like a pretty gal with a booby lift.

Great info yu'all.........:cheers:
 
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