Boberg XR9-L Owner Review (8 ammo, updated Feb/17/2013 to 475 rounds)

Hey Kidcom,

Although i appreciate comments regarding your past business with us and we hope to do more in the future, but painting these reviews with broad comments like "serious issues" with the Boberg, "gun is sluggish" and will "blow up" and a flag will stick out the muzzle are pretty harsh criticisms to a review that i thought was quite positive. The only real issues I saw were with the 124gr JHP and JRN from re-loaded ammo and not actual issues with the Boberg. Poor Quality re-loaded ammo should not be used in the Boberg or any gun for that matter, high quality factory ammo should be used in this high quality gun. Once you get your hands on this little pistol you will see it's amazing quality and craftsmanship.

Unfortunately harsh comments like that can paint a picture to other consumers that is not quite true. We spent a lot of time and effort into bringing in this pistol and we know how great it functions and we are also backed 100% by Arnie and Boberg Arms. I hope Aniest and others post follow up range reports as we have shipped quite a few out this week and we are positive the reviews will be great!

We will have a detailed review up shortly...in the meantime here is a good one!!


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Happy Shooting!!
 
Boberg uses Breakfree CLP at the factory, but advises that any similarly-performing copper-free lubricant is absolutely fine for the firearms. Any high-quality lubricant without copper particulates is ideal for use on the Boberg pistols.

Boberg Arms have also had great results from LPS All-Purpose Anti-Seize, as we understand it.

Cheers,
Daniel
 
Quoted parts are removed for my comments, not whole quote:
The only real issues I saw were with the 124gr JHP and JRN from re-loaded ammo and not actual issues with the Boberg. Poor Quality re-loaded ammo should not be used in the Boberg or any gun for that matter, high quality factory ammo should be used in this high quality gun. Once you get your hands on this little pistol you will see it's amazing quality and craftsmanship.

We spent a lot of time and effort into bringing in this pistol and we know how great it functions and we are also backed 100% by Arnie and Boberg Arms. I hope Aniest and others post follow up range reports as we have shipped quite a few out this week and we are positive the reviews will be great

The points, in brief:

Even though I have wanted one of these Boberg XR9's for awhile, I tried to keep the review as "Scientific" as a normal-joe shooter could: the results are up for personal opinion. I also was fussy with ammo: I wanted to shoot 124Gr bullet weights and I kept away from ammo on the Boberg List of Ammunitions that was shown to be a problem.

I didn't want to focus on it in the review, but I feel that Custom Reloading Service ammo is not right for a Boberg, but works well in other firearms: I gave away the two partial boxes of that ammo to two other shooters on the adjacent range to test (they liked free ammo, I liked finding out about it) and they had zero problems with it. As you said about 'not flagging something unfairly' I don't want to make Canadian Reloading Service seem unfairly 'flagged' either. It is more of a warning of those that might want to reload for the Boberg: your sizing die must be set correctly and size as far down on the case as possible for the Boberg. I might try some other reloads I have later.

To get right down to the opinionated part: when I passed the Boberg XR9-L off to others to look at the first comment ALWAYS was, "Oh My God is the trigger nice [pause] light [pause] smooth [pause] and the release is crisp and flawless!" They were most impressed with the quality of the mechanisms and the genius of the gun: these are people compairing it to their Gen III Glock, Kimber, STI, Colt and so on. There has to be some bragging rights when there is that level of awe in a firearm from the get-go, not in form or look (like a Tacti-cool AR), but in the function and accuracy by other opinionated shooters who have been shooting 9mm for decades. Of the several ladies that have held it, they are massively impressed with the feel, and is much like going to the mall with a puppy: it gains a lot of instant female attention.

And to get to rant part: I have to admit, Boberg Arms is new on the market with their XR9 series. This lends to "growing pains" and the like: the greatness of the Mauser action didn't take a day to perfect, so I don't expect Boberg Arms to perfect the XR9 overnight either. For those that want to say, "But in this day and age with machining and technology"... yup, you are right. And somehow with all that machining and technology the best cup of tea is still with fresh cut leaves, steeped by hand, with raw sugar and fresh cream: I can't find a machine anywhere that makes anything but f'n sh!tty tea!!! And, all of that technology also lets someone spread a bad review like a Bubonic Plague, warranted or not. If you want to wait for the excellent genius of the mechanisms to be perfected, I don't blame you: just remember that if someone doesn't support the company then there won't be that perfection to get later.

I have to admit: the followers were stupid. I think that there was some "bad Internet Karma" created by idiots who had never used anything but their double stack tacti-crapped out AR and/or Glock and could not fathom in their little brain how a magazine could work without a follower. Arne, being swayed by the idiots, caved and bowed to public pressure hoping not to create bad reviews: the spring curls are ingenious and allow flawless magazine function without a follower.

Having a new firearm like the XR9 has one major advantage: Arne Boberg is there to explain things, work you through them, and take care of the gun. Imagine being able to get help and advice from (not specifically comparing Arne Boberg to these, just using well known names) John Moses Browning, John Garand, Paul & Wilhem Mauser, Samuel Colt or one of them. If you have issues, send an email or call Wanstalls or even Arne Boberg: he made them.I have left comments on his company boards, and he himself has replied.

As was pointed out before: maybe there are better smaller firearms out there cheaper. Until hell freezes over, I personally don't see you being able to own one of those prohibited firearms in Canada: for those that want a firearm in this size category, it is a chance at one.

And for those few who may be able to travel to the USA and carry (open/concealed) down there at some point, but want to practice with it in Canada, this is an awesome option.

I will be doing follow up range reports over time: it is not a "range gun per-se" but in truth no handgun in Canada right now is anything else. I plan to try and "shoot the sh!t out of it" and see how long it takes to need new springs and a barrel. My review was intended to be neutral, even if it seems otherwise: future updates will show a lot more opinion, and maybe it won't be pretty or good. Who knows.

Lastly, and for me and my opinion, what is most important: I got a firearm in a small restricted frame/barrel that has 'full gun power and full gun recoil management.'
 
A little bit of over reaction there, eh...... I guess you must be describing some other gun that you have experience with.
Neither one of us that posted reviews on this gun stated facts like you quoted. Get a grip.....

I'm entitled to my comments. However they seemed a bit over top (I thought a wee bit of humor would be good) and has offended the people at Wanstalls. I understand and see their point so I have modified my previous post
 
I'm entitled to my comments. However they seemed a bit over top (I thought a wee bit of humor would be good) and has offended the people at Wanstalls. I understand and see their point so I have modified my previous post

I think your concerns that should the pins walk out during firing a major problem, and possible human injury, could occur are very valid. If someone has a Boberg with an issue of lose pins contact Wanstalls or Boberg Arms. However, sometimes humor and tone are hard to sense with a post on forums: I think there was concern that some wording was notedly harsh for the concerns you had. :yingyang:
 
I don't think these are intended as range guns. They are intended as carry pistols.
Use the appropriate ammunition, and you have a very compact 9mm pistol.
Had the opportunity to shoot one, shot some steel plate runs. Quite accurate and shootable; no problem getting fast hits. Much easier to shoot than I anticipated based on its diminutive size.

The fact the it's designed as a carry pistol worries me. Carry pistols should have utmost reliability because you will be using it in a life and death situation... Therefore, higher quality pistols should give the owner the least issues with ammo compatibility and other problems. You never know when an ammo company decides to one day change their manufacturing process or just turns out to be a bad batch... I wouldn't feel safe carrying a gun that's this picky with type of ammo even if I were to load with approved ammo and other issues with the gun.

Having said that I applaud them for trying to be innovative. If they can iron out those issues, I think it has a chance to be a great product.
 
- I hate to say it, but Custom Reloading Services 124gr JRN and 124gr JHP were the worst. I tried the JRN first, fired 24 rounds and got 3 jammed rounds. It seems that, from seeing unique rings on the ammo above the base, that the base was not sized tight enough for the Boberg XR9. It does, however, fit a 1911 9mm and a Glock 9mm at the range (thanks to other shooters) so I believe it to be an issue with how the XR9 barrel is, not the ammo reloader.

I've noticed Custom Reloading Services 9mm reloads not chambering in an aftermarket glock mag. The same reloads chambered fine in other factory barrels I tried that day but they would not work in the aftermarket Glock mag. I just assumed the aftermarket barrel has a tighter chamber and the reloads were a bit big.
 
Ammunition

Have you noticed that most firearms companies like Boberg are against the use of reloads in their pistols. The universal sense that I get is that the use of reloads is frowned upon almost to the point of declaring them to be a warranty breaker. I bring this up, as I see a lot of posts in this thread musing over the various types of ammo that work and don't work with the Boberg. Since the Boberg has such a unique mechanism, they probably should provide a list of factory tested munitions that work flawlessly, on an ongoing basis, with their pistol.
 
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Since the Boberg has such a unique mechanism, they probably should provide a list of factory tested munitions that work flawlessly, on an ongoing basis, with their pistol.

Hopefully they will get it so everything that is SAMMI spec works! Or if a list is needed it would be a very small list of what does not work.
 
Hopefully they will get it so everything that is SAMMI spec works! Or if a list is needed it would be a very small list of what does not work.

They have a listing on their website that lists ammo that is troublesome and ammo that works well. The list that works well is long enough that getting quality ammo is not a problem. I referred to the list and went to SFRC'c website and they had 2 choices for me that were in stock. I picked up some American Eagle 124gr FMJ's and they worked flawlessly in my Boberg.

As for reloads, yes they all seem to frown on using them. Can't blame them though, as they have no idea what kind of loads people are loading into their guns. I did take 15 of my reloads, checked them over carefully for measurements and ensured the crimps were good and they worked flawlessly as well.

I did note a small potential problem last week when I noticed a few pivot pins creeping out the left side after shooting about 5 full mags. I have since added a dab of locktite and the pins stayed put for another box of 50 rounds. That was the only negative thing that I encountered and now that's fixed I have absolutely no complaints.

As for mag followers, they came installed in both of my mags. I understand that the mags were initially designed to not have followers and they were listed as an option if you thought you wanted them. I took the follower out of one mag for comparison and both worked great but I could only get 6 rounds in the mag with the follower. Suppose I could have forced the last round in but didn't bother to try. This is my 3rd 9mm and it is the smoothest shooter of them all. If we had CCW here in Canada, I would not hesitate to carry it using the ammo that I have been using. I have full confidence in it.
 
Have you noticed that most firearms companies like Boberg are against the use of reloads in their pistols. The universal sense that I get is that the use of reloads is frowned upon almost to the point of declaring them to be a warranty breaker. I bring this up, as I see a lot of posts in this thread musing over the various types of ammo that work and don't work with the Boberg. Since the Boberg has such a unique mechanism, they probably should provide a list of factory tested munitions that work flawlessly, on an ongoing basis, with their pistol.

First, the list is here: Consolidated List of Boberg Compatible Ammunition

Second, there are two main problems with reloads: The first is either a 'squib' round that lodges a bullet in the barrel and damages the barrel, or an 'over-charge' that blows the action out of spec. The mechanisms in the Boberg XR9 design may not like getting the equivelent of a 44Mag round loaded into a 9mm through it... or worse. The second was my issue: having to hit my Boberg XR9-L on six occasions to get a stuck round out. Yes, I know what I am doing, I did use a non-marking armor's hammer, and knew to check the cam block for damage: but that doesn't mean anyone will. I figure that any manufacturer will get pissed at getting a warranty claim and then their armor(s) coming to them to say, "Sir, this gun had a one dee ten tee error (1D10T): the owner bashed it with a cleaning rod and a steel hammer trying to get a bad reload out of it. The barrel damage is from the broken rod, not a manufacturing flaw." Then they have to fight to get it fixed, get paid for that fix, listen to an owner that swears it's their problem, along with a bunch of bad Internet ranting... you see where it goes.
 
Tried mine today, worked perfectly with factory loads.

My rear sight was loose. I noticed after a few rounds, was lucky not to lose the spring. I was not able to tighten it with an allen wrench as the screw head looks like it was already stripped. I managed to tighten it with a torx bit. It holds for now, but I guess I should have added lock tite.
Wanstalls - can you get me a spare one?
 
Is anyone noticing a slight gap between the floorplate of the magazine and bottom of the grip? I haven't had mine to the range yet, but hope to next week. I don't think this will effect function, but it just seems a bit "loose" for a gun that is so tight and fitted. I notice Boberg had some factory second mags on their website:

http://store.bobergarms.com/collections/accessories/products/factory-2nd-magazine-all-xr9-models

If you look at the pic of the red grip, that's the kind of gap I'm having on mine, and it rattles up and down. I can slot a credit card into the gap.
 
Not reading a lot of good news here. To recap: picky on ammo, pointless followers included with some mags, heavy trigger, and pins that walk out and disable the gun after some normal shooting... On the plus side: really small and looks good. I wonder which is more important in a gun?

That is why I hate it when people do reviews and put them in a dealer forum. You can;t say anything because you have the ban hammer hanging over your head.

This should be in the pistol forum. Then you would get to see what people really think.
 
I have the same gap with both of my magazines. Tried shooting with my little finger holding it in then shooting it with the mag loose (with gap), both ways functions well.

rivet - there is 2 threads in the pistol section if you want to add your comments.
 
That is why I hate it when people do reviews and put them in a dealer forum. You can;t say anything because you have the ban hammer hanging over your head.

Ummm, sorry to tell you this, but having Wanstalls banner above doesn't stop me. I have only a small amount of ammo through mine: if I start getting issues with it as I run more through it you will hear from me here even if Wanstalls doesn't like it. I have been "backing up" my posts to be re-post into other forums if needed.

If Wanstalls is an honorable company they will address bad reviews that have substance, proof and explainations: then they can get repairs, get parts, make replacements, help Arne with warranty, drop the line, and/or/if/however they wish to act as a company. They will realize that getting a lot of bad reviews will negatively impact all their business, and see that their 'plans' must change to maintain customers. It is the way of things with any company, not just Wanstalls.

This should be in the pistol forum. Then you would get to see what people really think.

Moving from the XR9-L supplier's forum to the general pistol forum won't help, by the way. Greentips owns this site, and if someone makes a paying sponsor angry enough, Greentips can edit at will. :yingyang:

I put it here because it seems that, if you haven't noticed it, sponsor threads always get priority on the Recent Threads main page: if this was in the pistols forum it likely wouldn't make it there.
 
Is anyone noticing a slight gap between the floorplate of the magazine and bottom of the grip? I haven't had mine to the range yet, but hope to next week. I don't think this will effect function, but it just seems a bit "loose" for a gun that is so tight and fitted. I notice Boberg had some factory second mags on their website:

http://store.bobergarms.com/collections/accessories/products/factory-2nd-magazine-all-xr9-models

If you look at the pic of the red grip, that's the kind of gap I'm having on mine, and it rattles up and down. I can slot a credit card into the gap.

All of the mags I have, including the extras I bought, have a 1/64th to 1mm gap. It seems the slot for the mag catch is a 'hair' high is all: they function as manufacturer wants/designed.
 
All of the mags I have, including the extras I bought, have a 1/64th to 1mm gap. It seems the slot for the mag catch is a 'hair' high is all: they function as manufacturer wants/designed.

One interesting thing I found is that mine won't eject a fully loaded mag. Once a mag has 2-3 rounds left, it drops free just fine. I think it's to prevent a loaded mag from coming loose, yet you can easily reload when running low. It's either a total fluke, or a stroke of genius.
 
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