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This isn't your standard which is better type post.

I'm trying to decide between the Ruger 10/22 and Remington 597 and I am pretty close. I think I have all the info I need on the 597 so most of these questions will be about the 10/22. On a side if I choose the 10/22 I will not be really interested in doing any major modifications.


I will want to put a scope on the Ruger.

I am pretty sure that means first I have to install a rail. Any recommendations or things to consider?
Next is rings. Same question as above.

Finally the scope itself. Would like to keep it under $100.


How big of a deal is no last shot hold open?


Finally regardless of which one I choose I think I want to install a bipod. I know the 597 has a spot marked on the stock that needs to be drilled out. Does the 10/22 have the same identifier or would changing the barrel band be easier?

Any recommendations on bipod. Sounds like UTG is popular but not sure which model # would be best.

Lots of pros and cons with either gun so I am just trying to think this out fully. (probably too much)
 
a 10/22 would be the best bet.
the ruger should come with a rail and screws.this rail should accomidate both .22 and full sized centerfire rings.
no bolt open is no big deal.
a bipod you either screw it into the stock,use a barrel bipod or maybe some new ones (like the sr22) are already tacticool and blinged out.
a 100 buck scope maybe a bushnell .22 scope or a cheap bushnell centerfire scope.since the rail should accomidate both i would get a bushnell sportview centerfire scope.
 
New 10/22s come with a rail as stated. It accepts both weaver and 3/8" rimfire rings. Do yourself a favour and pick up weaver rings so you don't have to deal with rimfire rings that slide up on the rail during use. No last shot hold open is no worry, the 10/22 is designed to be dry fired without the firing pin peening the chamber. Ive been dry firing mine at the end of every mag for over 13 years without issue. For a bipod, install a sling swivel in the forend. The barrel band won't work as it does not provide a level spot for the bipod to sit. I like my Shooters Ridge bipod, no issues so far.
 
Both the 10/22 models I've had have had extraction issues, causing double feeds.

Ruger says you can't hurt a 10/22 by dry firing, so you know you're out when it clicks and doesn't shoot - unless you've got a casing jammed in your chamber due to extraction issues.

Length of pull is also somewhat short for a scope, so be sure sure that your ocular lens will give you proper eye relief.

Not to mention, the Ruger action gets awfully dirty after only a few magazines full of rounds.



All that said, I don't take 22s as seriously as some here and I still shoot my 10/22 when I'm at the range every time.

I've never shot a 597, so I can't say what they're like.
 
toyboy said:
a 10/22 would be the best bet.
The ruger should come with a rail and screws.this rail should accomidate both .22 and full sized centerfire rings.
No bolt open is no big deal.
A bipod you either screw it into the stock,use a barrel bipod or maybe some new ones (like the sr22) are already tacticool and blinged out.
A 100 buck scope maybe a bushnell .22 scope or a cheap bushnell centerfire scope.since the rail should accomidate both i would get a bushnell sportview centerfire scope.
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badda bing badda boom.
 
Surrey Boy said:
Both the 10/22 models I've had have had extraction issues, causing double feeds.

Ruger says you can't hurt a 10/22 by dry firing, so you know you're out when it clicks and doesn't shoot - unless you've got a casing jammed in your chamber due to extraction issues.

Length of pull is also somewhat short for a scope, so be sure sure that your ocular lens will give you proper eye relief.

Not to mention, the Ruger action gets awfully dirty after only a few magazines full of rounds.



All that said, I don't take 22s as seriously as some here and I still shoot my 10/22 when I'm at the range every time.

I've never shot a 597, so I can't say what they're like.
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Never had any extraction issues, just use good ammo and away we go.. maybe just lucky
 
The aftermarket, and 10 round rotary mags are what make the Ruger 10/22.

The lower price and minor differences such as a last shot hold open are why the Remington sells. The mags work but they feel like cheap pot metal.

I own both. Overall I prefer the Ruger. The Remington action though I prefer a bit more. The mags though are weak compared to the rotary Ruger mags which seem work amazingly well. Not as much aftermarket stuff if you want to change anything out.

The best semi auto though is the Thompson R55. Extremely accurate, threaded match barrel, steel receiver, last shot hold open and the barrel and steel mags. All steel in the receiver and action parts.
 
Epoxy7 said:
The aftermarket, and 10 round rotary mags are what make the Ruger 10/22.
The lower price and minor differences such as a last shot hold open are why the Remington sells.
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That's exactly where I am right now. If the price difference was not so significant it would be a much easier decision. I am trying to think long term and if I consider this to be a lifetime gun my guess is that in 15-20 years there will still be more parts and more support both official and non-official for the 10/22.

My indecision already cost me the chance at a stock 10/22. I have found a camo version with a small price premium but in my searches I'm finding it hard to source the Ruger.
 
My 597 Yellowjacket out shoots my 10-22, but it cost more too. I replaced the hammer to get a better trigger weight. The 10-22 has to short a stock for me. All said get a good gun set it up the way you want and keep it & shoot it till you give it to your grandkid. Sometimes by looking for cheap, you find it.
 
Check out irunguns, last time I looked they had basic 10/22 carbines in stock. I bought one about a week ago, but haven't got it yet. The way they do orders is a bit different, you pay for the gun right away, and they send an invoice for the taxes and shipping once the gun is in Canada. For the 10/22 that I just ordered, the invoice was emailed the next day, so no waiting for a lengthy import process. The prices are in $US on the website, so $250 ended up being $265. Still cheaper than paying a bunch extra for a fancy one if you are planning on changing a bunch of stuff out.
Kristian
 
I like & have both, you should be able to attach a rim fire scope to both out of box the bipod will require some tinkering unless you buy one that clamps to the barrel. 597 does have a spot for drilling for swivels.

Not that you asked but my 2cents
For long range i would buy the 597 for mid to short range plinking 10-22.
For customizing 10-22 for leaving stock 597.
 
The quality of the basic walnut 10/22 carbine is stunning, I'm very impressed with it and especially considering I only paid 212$ for it brand new.
 
Max Renegade said:
I like & have both, you should be able to attach a rim fire scope to both out of box the bipod will require some tinkering unless you buy one that clamps to the barrel. 597 does have a spot for drilling for swivels.

Not that you asked but my 2cents
For long range i would buy the 597 for mid to short range plinking 10-22.
For customizing 10-22 for leaving stock 597.
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My feelings as well, although Ive left my 10/22 stock as well, at least for now.
 
The 597 is hands down a better rifle than the 10/22 in every way except the magazine. The 597 is more accurate, has a better trigger, two guide rods and springs that float the bolt in the receiver, a thicker barrel, two screws holding the barreled action in the stock, and last shot bolt hold open.
The 10/22 has one guide rod and spring on one side of the bolt, by design the bolt will twist slightly in the receiver every time the round goes off and pushes it back. The bolt also drags against the receiver because it is only supported on one side. Only one screw holding the barreled action in the stock makes having a free floated barrel difficult.

Over all the 597 is just a better design. Except for the magazines.

The factory 10 round 10/22 magazine is what makes the rifle so appealing. It is as close as you're going to get to 100% reliability in a semi auto rimfire. It will feed any ammo all day long.

The newer 597 magazines are pretty damn good but just not as good as the Ruger design.

I can hear the 10/22 fan boys screaming right now but facts are facts, you can't deny it. I love the 10/22 just as much as the 597 but if I had to pick one to make that important shot its the 597 every time.
 
I have both, although my 10/22 is a bit more reliable as I do get the odd jamming issues with my 597. I scoped out my 597 and have the synthetic stock on it so its more for hunting while my 10/22 is a distributor exclusive edition with a really fancy wood stock so have left it totally stock and its mainly for range use. Both have their uses and like them both but have had less headaches with my 10/22. I need the better extractor for my 597 in hopes that would reduce the jamming issues. I have both and recommend to buy both :)
 
My vote is for the 597. After shooting a 597 for more than 5 years, I was convinced I needed a 10/22 so I bought a 10/22 and had nothing but trouble. My friend who bought a 10/22 at the same time had a much better experience with his rifle.
 
Ruger 10/22 if you are planning to do mods. Remington 597 if you are planning to shoot it out of the box and keep it stock.
Ruger 10/22 has plenty of aftermarket parts, just like a Honda Civic
Remington 597 has only few aftermarket parts like a VQ hammer, Brownells Extractor and maybe few more. But with a little mechanical ingenuity and access to right equipment, you can make your own part.

Comparing non-modified versions:

Reliability: EVEN (Both have some minor issues that can be fixed)
Accuracy: R 597 by a hairline
Value for Money: R597
Availability: R 597
Overall: Win-win for both, though I pick R 597 by hairline. I am no Ruger hater. The make good affordable entry level firearms so as Remington.

My suggestion: Before you buy any of these 2 rifles, try them both.
 
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