Cream of Wheat
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This method is not used much anymore, in spite of the fact that at one time it was the popular way to resize the brass.
Put a few grains of pistol powder in the primed case.
Fill it with cream of wheat.
Stuff the neck full of toilet paper.
Fire.
Judge by the effect, whether to use more powder, less powder or stay the same.
Just noticed you are new at posting. Good question, keep it up
Put a few grains of pistol powder in the primed case.
Fill it with cream of wheat.
Stuff the neck full of toilet paper.
Fire.
Judge by the effect, whether to use more powder, less powder or stay the same.
Just noticed you are new at posting. Good question, keep it up
-Use a fast powder such as Unique (which I used forming 100 6.5 Creedmor from 22-250--18 grains) --over the powder fill the case to the neck with C of W (I use corn meal instead)--tap a small piece of cleaning patch in the neck to hold all together and fire in your rifle---WARNING !--these are loud so shoot outdoors--Further these can cause hurt so ,as always,practice correct gun safety,---Bent Barrel
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Yes, you take a fully loaded .260 Remington cartridge and fire it in the Ackley improved chamber.
Before you do this you read P.O. Ackleys book in the chapter where Ackley tells the readers he designed all his AI chambers so that the original parent case still headspaces on the shoulder of the chamber and "NO" special fireforming is required.
If you want to go further than this then contact Quaker Oats. (this is COW humor on a larger scale)
If you do more research you will find warnings about using COW aka Cream of Wheat in bottle neck cases because it can cake up and jam in the barrel and possibly cause a Kaboom. Cream of Wheat is normally used in straight walled cases like the 45-70 to take up room with light loads of pistol powder. In a bottle neck case like the .260 Remington in a "oversized" chamber, Dacron fluff is placed over the powder charge to hold it against the primer and the Dacron fluff will not clog or jam in the neck juncture of the case and cause a pressure surge and a possible Kaboom.
If you don't have a Ackley chamber and want to "safely" fireform a cartridge you use a starting load to a mid range load and jam the bullets into the rifling to hold the case against the bolt face. The second method is to create a false shoulder on the case that touches the shoulder of the chamber and stops forward movement of the case in the chamber.
Save the Cream of Wheat for breakfast and learn safer methods of fireforming cases and read the warnings in the reloading manuals that other people seem to ignore.
Please note the method used below was for a custom chambered barrel and chambered with a 6.5-243 Improved reamer and not the standard .260 AI reamer. This is "WHY" the jam method was used below, a normal AI does not require any special fireforming techniques.
260 Remington Brass Preparation and Traditional Fire-Forming
Fire-forming was done with the tried-and-true method of seating a bullet past the jam point, with good neck tension, so that the case would be held firmly against the bolt face upon initial firing. The load used was 47.4 grains Ramshot Hunter, under a 142gr moly Sierra MatchKing. This load resulted in velocities around 2950 fps, and accuracy at about 0.5 MOA for 5 shot groups. There were no split necks out of this first batch of cases, and the fired case length was very consistent.
http://www.6mmbr.com/260aiforming.html
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- West Quebec
Yes, you take a fully loaded .260 Remington cartridge and fire it in the Ackley improved chamber.
Before you do this you read P.O. Ackleys book in the chapter where Ackley tells the readers he designed all his AI chambers so that the original parent case still headspaces on the shoulder of the chamber and "NO" special fireforming is required.
If you want to go further than this then contact Quaker Oats.
If you do more research you will find warnings about using COW aka Cream of Wheat in bottle neck cases because it can cake up and jam in the barrel and possibly cause a Kaboom. Cream of Wheat is normally used in straight walled cases like the 45-70 to take up room with light loads of pistol powder. In a bottle neck case like the .260 Remington in a "oversized" chamber a Dacron fluff is placed over the powder charge to hold it against the primer and the Dacron fluff will not clog or jam in the neck juncture of the case and cause a pressure surge and possible Kaboom.
If you don't have a Ackley chamber and want to "safely" fireform a cartridge you use a starting load to a mid range load and jam the bullets into the rifling to hold the case against the bolt face. The second method is to create a false shoulder on the case that touches the shoulder of the chamber and stops forward movement of the case in the chamber.
Save the Cream of Wheat for breakfast and learn safer methods of fireforming cases and read the warnings in the reloading manuals that other people seem to ignore.
Please note the method used below was for a custom chambered barrel and chambered with a 6.5-243 Improved reamer and not the standard .260 AI reamer. This is "WHY" the jam method was used below, a normal AI does not require any special fireforming techniques.
260 Remington Brass Preparation and Traditional Fire-Forming
Fire-forming was done with the tried-and-true method of seating a bullet past the jam point, with good neck tension, so that the case would be held firmly against the bolt face upon initial firing. The load used was 47.4 grains Ramshot Hunter, under a 142gr moly Sierra MatchKing. This load resulted in velocities around 2950 fps, and accuracy at about 0.5 MOA for 5 shot groups. There were no split necks out of this first batch of cases, and the fired case length was very consistent.
http://www.6mmbr.com/260aiforming.html
They did a lot of funny Chit in the olden days just for laughs.. it seems
Funny $hit on TV is OK, doing stupid $hit with a rifle isn't funny.
You can read on the internet where people tell you to lube your cases to fireform them, the problem with this is it doubles the bolt thrust and can damage your rifle. The "safe" Cream of Wheat method is a light pistol powder load with "NO" bullet and just toilet paper or Dacron fluff to hold the COW in the case. This is done by competitive shooters to get away from firing bullets down the bore and decreasing barrel life. The problem with this is a very dirty barrel when your done, some shooter use a worn out barrel to form the cases that will be use in a new barrel.
Bottom line, Ackley designed his AI chambers to fire the parent cartridge "WITHOUT" using any special fireforming methods.
I will say this again, at http://castboolits.gunloads.com/ there is a person handing out information by the name "mutigunner". The problem is this person doesn't cast bullets, and he doesn't even have a reloading press. He simply goes around reading postings in other forums then repeats what he read in another in forum.
Bottom line, be VERY careful about what you read on the internet, the facts get twisted out of shape, internet myths are started and some people believe everything they read even if its written by a delusional nut case.
I feel sorry for people just starting out, you have a lot of Bovine Scat to read and sort through before you get to the good $hit.
I'm going to start a new internet rumor and myth tonight............
Doctors at the Mayo Clinic today announced that Orange Juice causes cancer in ### rats.
Please note I'm perfectly sane and I have a note from my physicist to prove it.
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I have imr 4227 and trail boss right now , is either of them fast enough fire form 35 whelen brass to 9.3x62 improved ?
I have formed a large number [several hundred] of wildcat cases using the COW method.
I generally start with about 12 or 13 grains of Bullseye, fill the case with COW and push a
piece of TP into the neck to hold it all in place.
If the shoulder does not form quite as nice as I like, I up the amount of Bullseye until it does.
Have never experienced any isuues whatsoever using this method.
It does leave the barrel dirty, as bigedp51 stated, but it will clean up easily.
No wear and tear to the throat, and perfectly formed cases every time.
Regards, Dave.
I generally start with about 12 or 13 grains of Bullseye, fill the case with COW and push a
piece of TP into the neck to hold it all in place.
If the shoulder does not form quite as nice as I like, I up the amount of Bullseye until it does.
Have never experienced any isuues whatsoever using this method.
It does leave the barrel dirty, as bigedp51 stated, but it will clean up easily.
No wear and tear to the throat, and perfectly formed cases every time.
Regards, Dave.
So you make the hot cereal in the morning, when your wife eats does she complain about the noise you make fixing breakfast?
So could you use 700x (checking for barrel obstruction between shots) and COW and if so how many grains to start. I have reloaded a fair bit but never done this. My reasoning behind wanting to do this is I want to size 100 pcs of lapua brass and A)dont want the unnecesary barrel ware on a new custom and B) why waste 100 bullets
At 43,000 cup or 46,000 psi the peak flame temperature of the burning powder is just starting to reach the melting point of modern barrel steels. Shooting below this pressure range cost you nothing in bore wear, below fireforming .303 British cases with .312 pistol bullets with reduced loads.
I don't like Cream of Wheat for breakfast and my Shredded Wheat is too big to fit inside the case.
I saw a guy fire forming like this once, but pressed the neck of the case into a bar of soap to plug it. Maybe a little CLEANER lol
I just used some 50-50 Alox/beeswax bullet lube to plug the case mouth when I was forming some 7.62x54 cases. I also used cornmeal rather than CoW and it did a great job. Pretty funky smell, too, when I fired them.
I form my 260 brass by firing a match bullet over a normal charge of 4350. I shoot these fire forming loads at short range (300 to 600 yards). They are very, very accurate. In fact, they group better than the Ackley loads with 4831SC. Still working on that issue.
