Your loyalties in a hunting rifle?

In order it would be.....
1. Remington m700 bdl .270 bedded in a boyd's nutmeg thumbhole w/timney trigger
2.savage 99e lightweight carbine in .300 sav. Light as a cork and points like a dream.
3.Marlin 336 texan in .30/30 with wwg happy trigger.Just love this rifle and it loves the leverevolution ammo.
4 .Ruger American in .243 .It was an experimental purchase but holy crap will it shoot.
5.Savage 10xp predator in .204 with medium heavy barrel."A laser beam."
Going to add a .30-06 in either a vanguard series 2 or a model 70 and don't know where it will fit in.
 
My loyalties are to what's new. I like shooting new models of rifles, new cartridges, new actions, new stocks...pretty well anything new. It's how I learn and progress as a shooter. I've got a couple rifles that have a permanent place in the safe but for the most part, they are all for sale.....to make way for something new that happens to come along. The same old kind of gets boring.
 
Sako 85's and Mauser 98's get my nod these days... in the usual tried and true calibres: 30-06, 7x57, and 308. The rest are in my safe for other purposes: plinking and "home defence" :)
 
I've noticed a number of guys like the 7 STW. Why that over a regular 7 Mag? Just wondering, I've never had one.

For the average shooter that won't shoot past 300 yards, stick with the 7mmremmag. If you practice a lot past 400 yards, and might take a shot past 400 yards at a big game animal, the 7mmstw might appeal to you. I also would not bother with the 7mmstw if I didn't handload, as factory loads are very limited.
 
For the average shooter that won't shoot past 300 yards, stick with the 7mmremmag. If you practice a lot past 400 yards, and might take a shot past 400 yards at a big game animal, the 7mmstw might appeal to you. I also would not bother with the 7mmstw if I didn't handload, as factory loads are very limited.

Factory loads run anywhere from $60 per 20 to $150 per 20. The STW to me is the ideal long range 7mm chambering, sure, the RUM has a very small edge on speed, but only with a huge increase in powder. I got my first 7mm STW in the late 80's and have been in love with it ever since. It really shines with a 28"+ barrel.

Stubblejumper is right though, at 400 yards or less the 7mm RM makes more sense, especially cost wise.
 
I'm not really sure what the STW offers up over the RM in terms of real world performance. We have optics and bullets that can make the RM do everything the STW can do out to 1000 yards or more with a lot less powder, barrel length and hurt on your shoulder. There was a time when speed was king...that time has passed and likely has a lot to do with the slide in popularity of these uber magnums..
 
I have developed (despite my best efforts) a strong loyalty to the 30-06.

It took me 20+ years of hunting big game to ever try an '06 myself, although I did see many animals taken with them.

My first three rounds fired at game with an '06 were all one shot kills on moose, and I just find myself thinking that whatever the situation, a trusty '06 is never the WRONG answer, particularly with suitable handloads.

My most often used 30-06 is a sporterized P-17, an action that I also have a strong liking for.
 
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At one time, the 7mmSTW was selling quite well, and several manufacturers were chambering for it.The fact that Remington dropped the 7mmSTW to promote their line of ultra magnums, led to the slide of factory 7mmSTW sales. With almost no factory rifles chambered in 7mmSTW, and a very limited supply of factory loads, sales predictably fell off. However, Remington still manufactures and sells brass for the 7mmSTW, so obviously someone is buying it. As well, the rifle builders are still installing 7mmSTW barrels on customs, and the new Cooper in 7mmSTW is selling quite well.

As far as the larger capacity magnums losing popularity, many people tried them, and found that they could not handle the recoil, or that factory loads were extremely limited and expensive. That being said, The 338Lapua is more popular than ever, and I am still seeing a good number of 300RUM rifles, 7mmSTW rifles, and various Weatherby chamberings at the local range. However, other than the 257WBY and 300WBY in Vanguard rifles, most of these rifles are higher end, or custom rifles, and the shooters tend to be, more serious shooters, using handloads, rather than the typical weekend warrior, that runs out and buys a factory 270win, or 30-06, and shoots factory loads.
 
Manufacturers respond to demand...the STW is dying a slow death because the demand is not there. I had a factory Sako chambered in one and shot factory Federal ammo in it. Both have dropped it. If it was a good seller they wouldn't have....simple economics. What you see really means nothing in the overall sales that companies need for a chambering to be commercially viable. There's nothing wrong with the STW but there's nothing magic about it either and new long-range optics and higher BC bullets have truly been the final nail in the coffin for most of the uber magnums. Some guys will continue to try and fool themselves that speeds trumps everything but that's not the case with today's optics and bullets and more and more people are starting to realize that. It's a good cartridge but at the end of the day the 7RM is just as good and has a far greater following. I know which one I'd put my money on for a future. No need to justify why you shoot one...they are fun but it seems uber magnum shooters do spend a lot of time convincing themselves they have something superior. Be happy for what it is but don't try and convince people of what it isn't.
 
The hunting and shooting industry is built on marketing, and the previous effort was marketing the short fat cartridges. The manufacturers and television hosts took every opportunity to promote these supposed wonder cartridges. Many people bought into the idea of getting superior ballistics, and less recoil with a smaller. lighter rifle. Of course, most people discovered that the short fat cartridges are not as superior as the manufacturers claimed, so the rush to purchase the WSMs faded off. Remington dropped their SAUM cartridges entirely, and sales of the WSMs slowed down as well.

The current fad in hunting and shooting, is long range shooting, and the shows on television that are promoting long range shooting are doing their best to convince viewers, that if they purchase their specialty scopes,rifles,wind meters,etc, then they will immediately be able to hit targets at ranges that they never dreamed of. Some people are claiming that with only a half hour of instruction, they can turn a novice shooter, into a competent long range shooter. The funny thing is, that some of the people making these claims, have no actual credentials in the shooting industry, they are no more than television hosts, or writers. It's really amazing just how many hunting shows are promoting this, to sell their sponsors products, and just how many people are buying into this idea. They have convinced many people that technology is a suitable replacement, for skill, experience, and practice. However, anyone that spends any time at a shooting range, watching people use these products, soon realizes that once again, the claims made by the manufacturers, and television hosts were exaggerated, and you still need to be able to judge the wind all the way to the target, and you still need to practice in order to hit at long range. I watched one individual sight in his new Huskemaw scope at 25 yards, using his factory loads with Berger bullets, and without firing a shot at any other distance, he bragged to his buddy that he was ready for deer and moose to 800 yards. As well, many of the new wonder bullets that work so well at longer range, don't do very well at breaking heavy bone at close range.

Give it a few years, and the this fad will fade away, and another one with begin, with the manufacturers, writers, and television hosts leading the way, in an effort to sell as much product as they can.

As for myself, I have tried many new products over the years, although I didn't purchase a rifle chambered in a WSM cartridge, or a Huskemaw scope. I still watch the odd hunting or shooting program, but I don't buy the magazines, and I don't buy into the sales pitches that the manufacturer's and television hosts are spouting, because I realize that they will say whatever it takes to sell products, and keep that cash flowing. I will just keep using the products that work for me no matter what someone on television tells me that I should be using, just as many other hunters and shooters will do.
 
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I'm not really sure what the STW offers up over the RM in terms of real world performance. We have optics and bullets that can make the RM do everything the STW can do out to 1000 yards or more with a lot less powder, barrel length and hurt on your shoulder. There was a time when speed was king...that time has passed and likely has a lot to do with the slide in popularity of these uber magnums..

What is an "uber magnum"?
 
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