SHTF PREPPER black powder gun

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I do not own any muzzelloaders but Im considering one.

if anyone knows of a good quality reliable and inexpensive beater that has these qualities let me know:

1) rifled barrel
2) 50cal or large enoough for any game in NA
3) i can make my own lead projectiles from lead i melt myself
4) can use blackpowder made from scratch, oldschool, like the Confederates did (note: not saying ill make my own BP, simpy want a gun that can use said BP if I had to to survive)
5) can be fired and maintained with nothing at all purchased from a store- all oils natural from nature, lead from scrap, powder from animal crap, dirt, carbon from trees, etc.........



Im thinking rifled muzzelloader flintlock

no caps....... i'd have to buy those


I dont care if it is a relica of a 1700s gun or a 2013 version

let me know if these is even possible/ plausible
 
In my experience with the Brown Bess and the Baker rifle,these two should go hand
in hand.The Bess can be used as a shot gun and the Baker for greater distance.
I agree with you on the need to "BUY" caps for cap & ball,but if you have a number
of flints and a source to scrounge up more, flintlocks are the way to go.
Now all you need is a reliable source of black powder.
 
flintlocks are not any easier in a SHTF situation why north American has not good source of flint a lot of chert and obsidian are plentiful but obsidian is a volcanic glass not really useable in a flintlock. also making a good powder is not a easy task and you need a really good powder for a flintlock to work biggest problem for powder is sulfur not going to find that easy

for SHTF a slingshot 12ga shotgun a brass hulls that take large pistol primers stock up on primers and strike anywhere matches with this you can make a sulfur less BP that works well
 
infidel29 said:
I'd recommend learning to shoot a crossbow or recurve bow.
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X2, bolts can be made from tree branches no problem so an endless supply, barely any noise made from bows and also not a big puff of smoke going HERE I AM!

The black powder is a nice idea but you only got one shot so if you miss you have to hope to hell you can load and get another shot off on target before you are likely fired upon or just bum rushed.
 
Grove said:
X2, bolts can be made from tree branches no problem so an endless supply, barely any noise made from bows and also not a big puff of smoke going HERE I AM!

The black powder is a nice idea but you only got one shot so if you miss you have to hope to hell you can load and get another shot off on target before you are likely fired upon or just bum rushed.
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id think a muzzleloader in a shtf situation is a hunting firearm if anything using it to reserving ammo for defense I still like the single shot shotgun and brass hulls for hunting a bow is good but make sure if its a crossbow its a recurve crossbow compound bows tend to want to make wood split
 
What about a PRODD: bullet-shooting crossbow.

Excellent book: The Crossbow - Medieval and Modern - Sporting and Military, by Sir Ralph Payne-Galway. Originlly came out in 1899, there is a Dover reprint you can often find. Hardcover, very complete. If you want a late-Middle-Ages crossbow with a 300-pound pull, shooting armour-piercing Oak bolts with Iron heads, this is where to start. Contains complete explanations and a set of detailed plans for a Mediaeval unit you can build from scratch.

Also has a chapter on the Prodd, with explanations on how to make one.

Hope this helps.
 
Solid, reliable economy class antique single shot percussion smoothbores are both plentiful and affordable in Canada, all you need is powder, percussion caps and some ball and shot.

A old smoothie is both more versatile "able to shoot shot or ball" and lighter then a rifle, though If your heart is set on a rifle they are out there aswell just more expensive and heavy "on average" then a smoothbore
 
^There is an entry in the book: The Chemistry of Powder and Explosives by Tenny Davis that describes how sports used to make their own percussion caps. Dangerous? of course! Doable? Apparently.

Get the book and read that entry, it is good for a laugh.

PS: back in earlier times, Flintlock users frowned on the young upstarts with their: "Detonating rifles" :p
 
Grove said:
X2, bolts can be made from tree branches no problem so an endless supply, barely any noise made from bows and also not a big puff of smoke going HERE I AM!

The black powder is a nice idea but you only got one shot so if you miss you have to hope to hell you can load and get another shot off on target before you are likely fired upon or just bum rushed.
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Hi guys,

this was for hunting not anti-human / zombie defense.

I should have mentioned that.



Down here in NS we have 2 deer seasons, one for bows and muskets, then another for regular guns..........so there too is another reason I'd want this item.


SHTF hunting and hunting now :)

As far as defense goes, if things got so bad I ran out of ammo for my M14, M4, SKS, etc etc........well......... If I actually used all that ammo and was still alive be surprised. I'd likely be living in a log cabin 500kms in the woods by a river anyway :0
 
smellie said:
what about a prodd: Bullet-shooting crossbow.

Excellent book: The crossbow - medieval and modern - sporting and military, by sir ralph payne-galway. Originlly came out in 1899, there is a dover reprint you can often find. Hardcover, very complete. If you want a late-middle-ages crossbow with a 300-pound pull, shooting armour-piercing oak bolts with iron heads, this is where to start. Contains complete explanations and a set of detailed plans for a mediaeval unit you can build from scratch.

Also has a chapter on the prodd, with explanations on how to make one.

Hope this helps.
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sweet!
 
I bowhunt with a compound; practice, practice, practice for something that is hard, hard, hard.
A muzzle loading rifle makes sense if you have to sustenance hunt. There is a cap maker or two out there that will allow you to make your own.
If you have to eat to live a Hawken in .50 is probably what you want.
 
Musketfire said:
Solid, reliable economy class antique single shot percussion smoothbores are both plentiful and affordable in Canada, all you need is powder, percussion caps and some ball and shot.

A old smoothie is both more versatile "able to shoot shot or ball" and lighter then a rifle, though If your heart is set on a rifle they are out there aswell just more expensive and heavy "on average" then a smoothbore
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yeah i was thinking smooth could go shot .....

like the old cannons, ball or grape shot etc
 
budman said:
In my experience with the Brown Bess and the Baker rifle,these two should go hand
in hand.The Bess can be used as a shot gun and the Baker for greater distance.
I agree with you on the need to "BUY" caps for cap & ball,but if you have a number
of flints and a source to scrounge up more, flintlocks are the way to go.
Now all you need is a reliable source of black powder.
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will reseach em

thanks
 
A 12G single shot black powder adapter and a large stash of primers might be easier and won't break the bank....
http://www.gunadapters.com/12-gauge-black-powder-adapter-black-out/
 
smellie said:
What about a PRODD: bullet-shooting crossbow.

Excellent book: The Crossbow - Medieval and Modern - Sporting and Military, by Sir Ralph Payne-Galway. Originlly came out in 1899, there is a Dover reprint you can often find. Hardcover, very complete. If you want a late-Middle-Ages crossbow with a 300-pound pull, shooting armour-piercing Oak bolts with Iron heads, this is where to start. Contains complete explanations and a set of detailed plans for a Mediaeval unit you can build from scratch.

Also has a chapter on the Prodd, with explanations on how to make one.

Hope this helps.
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Jeebers , a bow with a 300 lb. pull you'll need to carry around a St. Mary's defensive line backer to #### the thing!
 
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I think many of you are missing the point. The guy is looking at a gun which needs NO continuous supply of ANY commercially made items. Never mind that making powder or finding flints isn't always easy. The thing is that making and finding those things IS possible where making shot hulls or 209 primers is clearly not practical once the old ones are used up.
 
Thanks Rider but that was pretty clearly his goal.
I think what I and others have suggested is that there are easier ways given the current supply and prices of primers to stock up for a lifetime of shooting.

So I guess to answer the OP's basic question and put an end to the tread ... :)

Is it possible? Yes.
Is it plausible? Not today but maybe one day when there are no longer components to be found at a reasonable price.
 
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