17wsm rifles, where can I find one?
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hometownhero
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No, Not even for sale yet. There are only 2 as well. THe salvage bmag and the winchester low wall. The salvage is around $350 and the winnie is in the $1500+
hometownhero
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A few issues ago of shooting times magazine they said late summer for the usa. God knows when in Canada. Personally I dont think it has the umff to be a coyote gun. Its a high speed gopher gun imho.
I tend to agree when it comes to Coyotes, the rimfires are marginal. A coyote is pretty tough to bring down.
If you are looking at a rimfire for Coyotes, then you should consider the .22 Rimfire Magnum cartridge. It has a better bullet weight, and is more readily available, both in ammunition and rifles made for it.. It will probably happen, as it does with any newly introduced cartridge, that the newcomer will be the "flavor-of-the-month," and people will rave on it. However, Months do come to an end, and I have a feeling that this, like many other cartridges, will have a feeding frenzy, and then go into obsolescence. Then, you will have to find someone who stocks the ammunition, or is willing to order it for you. When sales decline, then the Ammunition Companies phase the production of that cartridge out, and concentrate on the "standards" that produce a profit for their shareholders.
Personally, I would consider an "entry level" centerfire rifle chambered in .223 or .22-250 if you want to hunt Coyotes. If I were in Ontario, I would lean towards a .223. This would be a lot more versatile, and would cost about the same price as a low level rimfire level for the cartridge you are considering. In other words, the same $350 for the rimfire could buy you a Savage Axis with a scope. A lot of people tend to be negative about some of the lower priced centerfire rifles, but most of them are well made and accurate. Ruger and Remington have come out with lower priced rifles to compete with the Savages.
It's about 2/3 the power of the 17 hornet, and way more powerful in terms of energy then the 22 Mag. Both of which have taken their fair share of coyotes. I am thinking that the energy should be more than sufficient, and being that the 17 HH takes coyotes, it proves that a 17 can take a coyote. Unless I am missing something?
17 Hornet (20 grain Hornady Superformance Vmax)
Distance 100
Velocity 3078
Energy 421
17 WSM (20 grain Varmint HV)
Distance 100 yard
Velocity 2504
Energy 278
17 Hornet (20 grain Hornady Superformance Vmax)
Distance 100
Velocity 3078
Energy 421
17 WSM (20 grain Varmint HV)
Distance 100 yard
Velocity 2504
Energy 278
hometownhero
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Just seems that there are so many better options to taking coyotes with then a small rimfire. Why take the chance at not making that perfect shot and having an animal run on suffering. If you are going to kill an animal do it as quickly and humanly as possible.
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One thing you have to consider is available bullets and their construction. The 17s are designed for small varmints and the bullet jackets are quite fragile and expand quickly and violently to "blow up" a thin skinned animal, but their penetration is not very good, and a hit on a bone will end up with a large but very shallow hole in an animal.
This is evident when people use varmint type thin jacketed bullets in a larger calibre hunting rifle for things like Deer. Lots of speed, easy to hit the Deer due to flatter trajectory, but superficial damage on the animal, with the wounded Deer escaping only to die a lingering death. Penetration and internal damage is the key to putting larger animals down. At the same time, using a heavier jacketed game bullet designed for Elk or Moose (180 grain) on a Deer, sometimes will simply poke a hole through the body of the much smaller deer, and will not expand until it has exited the far side of the Deer, because the heavier jacket holds the bullet together longer.
Another example is Bell shooting several hundred Elephants in Africa, using a 6.5 Mannicher-Schoenaur rifle where the 160 grain bullet exited the muzzle at under 2000 fps, but that long bullet penetrated. That 6.5 mm rifle/cartridge combination could really not be thought of as an Elephant gun.
While book figures give a representation of theoretical performance, compared to some other cartridge or calibre, the only way to really tell and compare is experience in the field. Accordion to the theory of Aerodynamics, a Bumble Bee is not supposed to be capable of flight. Tell that to the next one that zaps you with it's stinger.
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One thing you have to consider is available bullets and their construction. The 17s are designed for small varmints and the bullet jackets are quite fragile and expand quickly and violently to "blow up" a thin skinned animal, but their penetration is not very good, and a hit on a bone will end up with a large but very shallow hole in an animal.
This is evident when people use varmint type thin jacketed bullets in a larger calibre hunting rifle for things like Deer. Lots of speed, easy to hit the Deer due to flatter trajectory, but superficial damage on the animal, with the wounded Deer escaping only to die a lingering death. Penetration and internal damage is the key to putting larger animals down. At the same time, using a heavier jacketed game bullet designed for Elk or Moose (180 grain) on a Deer, sometimes will simply poke a hole through the body of the much smaller deer, and will not expand until it has exited the far side of the Deer, because the heavier jacket holds the bullet together longer.
Another example is Bell shooting several hundred Elephants in Africa, using a 6.5 Mannicher-Schoenaur rifle where the 160 grain bullet exited the muzzle at under 2000 fps, but that long bullet penetrated. That 6.5 mm rifle/cartridge combination could really not be thought of as an Elephant gun.
While book figures give a representation of theoretical performance, compared to some other cartridge or calibre, the only way to really tell and compare is experience in the field. Accordion to the theory of Aerodynamics, a Bumble Bee is not supposed to be capable of flight. Tell that to the next one that zaps you with it's stinger.
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All very true. The biggest reason why I am considering the rifle is I will be hunting on a lake at wintertime and there are cottages. Most I will be doing is 100 yard shots, but I want a round that won't carry very far afterward/ in event of a miss to prevent property damage.
hometownhero
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So that would be a 22wmr then. at 200 yards a wmr drops around 18-20 inches with a 100 yard zero. THe hmr only drops around 8" at 200 with a 100 yard zero. Or you can grab a 22 hornet and download it some and still have a gun that will take a coyote better then a rimfire.
