Oh FFS !
- Thread starter Dagmaar
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Dagmaar said:
The designation of M43 denotes, cartridge of year 1943...
The Ruskies developed the round after the capture of a German Maschinen Karabiner 42 (Haenel) or MKb. 42(H). The forerunner to the MP44/StG44 or Sturmgewehr 44.
The German 8mm kurz ("kurz" is German for, "short") or 7.92x33mm Cartridge, which was actually developed in 1938, but was also given the designation, by the Germans, of Pistolenpatrone M43 (for when it went into mass production).... So both the original German intermediate cartridge and the newer Soviet intermediate cartridge had the same designation of M43... Though they were both different rounds of course.
4th Cartridge from the left is the German M43 (7.92x33mm) 5th Cartridge from the left, right beside it, is the Rusky M43 (7.62x39mm)
PS: Yeah, I really like CT even more now.... no need to drive an hour into the city for Milsurp anymore!
Vegreville is an awesome town! Glad you enjoyed the sprawling city of Le-duck!!!
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I'll definitely try it someday but with a pad . I have tender girly shoulders lol . I've got the 858 set up just perfect for me , but anything with more kick will require a pad .
When I shot trap with a 12 gauge semi , I loved it . I figured , well , what the heck , how much more recoil will a 12g pump be , let's get one . Note to self : a 12gauge magnum 18 inch pump is NOT remotely close to a 28 inch 12 gauge semi . It is not as much fun shooting when it results in bruises and whimpering !
They still produce it right ? Just wondering if the 89 designates a repackaging date or the original packaging date .
No spam cans , just a wooden crate with each stripper clip of 10 individually wrapped in blue paper and plastic , under a couple of pieces of what looks like super thick construction paper , painted black on the underside .
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- Leduc County, Alberta
The Czech military still use the VZ58 rifle, and they still produce the M43 ball cartridge. What we get imported into Canada is "surplus". They sell of their ammo after a certain date, to keep military inventory current and "fresh"... Better than most other NATO countries, which usually destroy surplus ammo and arms, including Canada!
Your ammo was most likely made in 1989, yes.
PS: I added/edited that last post with a pic etc..
The Czech military still use the VZ58 rifle, and they still produce the M43 ball cartridge. What we get imported into Canada is "surplus". They sell of their ammo after a certain date, to keep military inventory current and "fresh"... Better than most other NATO countries, which usually destroy surplus ammo and arms, including Canada!
Your ammo was most likely made in 1989, yes.
PS: I added/edited that last post with a pic etc..
Very cool . What did they shoot the German M43 out of ? I really find the 7.62 X39 just about perfect for me . Recoil I can handle , very cheap to shoot and lots of choice in very nice firearms . That shorter German round interests me .
I really enjoyed Leduc , very nice folks and way more choice in restaurants then the Veg . It's good to be home but I enjoyed your town where I can go to the city if needs be , but don't have to live in its urban hell . After a few decades in Calgary and having had my childhood in Winnipeg I prefer small town life . Leduc is the perfect distance from the big city .
Veg is pretty nice , quiet , nice shooting range with really awesome members . Now that we have more ammo and guns available , its approaching perfection .
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- Leduc County, Alberta
When I said that the Czechs still produced the M43 Cartridge, I meant the Russian one... (7.62x39mm)
Though the only large scale military use of the StG44 and the 7.92x33mm German M43 round seems to be in Syria right now by the FSA... (They found a container full of WW2 German StG44s that came there most likely via Libya, who got them from the Tito in Yugoslavia... could have some via the Russians too, or others...)
The 7.92x33mm (8mm Kurz/Short) is manufactured now by Hornady and PRVI Partizan in small quantities for the collectors who own German rifles that shoot that round, and us lucky guys who have repros of WW2 German Assault rifles chambered in that round, such as the SSD BD44.. (StG44 Semi Auto only Repro) I reload for it too, but I picked up 500 rounds of loaded Hornady 7.92x33mm from Red Deer Canadian Tire about 4 years ago... Yes, that's right... 8mm kurz... from Canadian Tire...
Shooting the 8mm kurz out of an StG44 (with all its steel and wood) is very much comparable to shooting an AR15. VERY nice to shoot! Low recoil, decent accuracy up to 250-300 yards.
Post WW2 there were others who used the StG44 and it's cartridge including:
- Communist East German Volkspolezei
- Yugoslavian Paratroopers
- Supposedly the Czechs did for a bit (they did use the G/K43 for sure) (and later sold them to countries in Africa and the Middle East)
**StG44's have been used in conflicts in Syria, Angola, Ethiopia, Somalia, and Vietnam to name a few, Saddam had a bunch as well..**
Various Guerilla factions around the world used them including the Estonian and Lithuanian "Forest Brothers". (They fought the Soviet occupation of their homelands after WW2)
Lithuanian Forest Bro.
Africa
Middle East
Yugoslavian Paras
East German VolksPolizei (Peoples Police)
Syrian FSA Female Fighter
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Sorry , had to go to a meeting there .
It's kind of sad that that calibre isn't wildly available in both guns and ammo . Definitely something I could get into !
Yup , good old Canadian Tire again . They get sweet stuff seemingly out of the blue , don't they ?
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- Georgetown Ontario
Yup , good old Canadian Tire again . They get sweet stuff seemingly out of the blue , don't they ?
Yours do! Most of ours don't. There are a couple I'm told but not near me.
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- WMU247 near Edmonton
The designation of M43 denotes, cartridge of year 1943...
The Ruskies developed the round after the capture of a German Maschinen Karabiner 42 (Haenel) or MKb. 42(H). The forerunner to the MP44/StG44 or Sturmgewehr 44.
The German 8mm kurz ("kurz" is German for, "short") or 7.92x33mm Cartridge, which was actually developed in 1938, but was also given the designation, by the Germans, of Pistolenpatrone M43 (for when it went into mass production).... So both the original German intermediate cartridge and the newer Soviet intermediate cartridge had the same designation of M43... Though they were both different rounds of course.
4th Cartridge from the left is the German M43 (7.92x33mm) 5th Cartridge from the left, right beside it, is the Rusky M43 (7.62x39mm)
PS: Yeah, I really like CT even more now.... no need to drive an hour into the city for Milsurp anymore!
Vegreville is an awesome town! Glad you enjoyed the sprawling city of Le-duck!!!
nice little collection, I've always wondered how the 7.62x45 would have done had the soviets adopted it. would be a wonderfull parent case for 6.5mm
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- Leduc County, Alberta
Just a pic I stole from the net...
But yeah, the Czechs knew what they were doing when they designed the 7.62x45.... too bad Uncle Joe didn't approve!
Kinda like how NATO adopted the 7.62x51 cartridge... when they had the perfectly good 7.65x53mm Cartridge laying around for the past 60 years before that..
I guess it just wasn't 'Muhrican enuff...
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- WMU247 near Edmonton
Just a pic I stole from the net...
But yeah, the Czechs knew what they were doing when they designed the 7.62x45.... too bad Uncle Joe didn't approve!
Kinda like how NATO adopted the 7.62x51 cartridge... when they had the perfectly good 7.65x53mm Cartridge laying around for the past 60 years before that..
I guess it just wasn't 'Muhrican enuff...
oh don't even get me started on the 280 Enfield
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- Leduc County, Alberta
Leduc, Alberta CT?
Are you looking to feed your SVT-40 or Mosin Nagant 91/30 rifle? You need 7.62x54R (R stands for "Rimmed")
Is it for your SKS45, Type 56, CZ858/VZ58, CZ52/57, or Rashid? Then you need the M43 round, 7.62x39mm.
If you are talking about feeding your Tokarev TT33 handgun or other such device, you require 7.62x25mm Tokarev cartridge.
From Left to Right: 7.62x54R - 7.62x39mm - 7.62x25mm Tokarev
These are the most commonly used Soviet Cartridges.
Those are some rough and rugged looking cartridges right there....I like it, my surplus is too clean and new looking
