Japanese rifles!

In February of 2013 I was hiking the hillsides looking at a B-17 crash site at Nuuanu Pali Lookout on Oahu, Hawaii.

http://hiavps.com/Cox B-17E.htm

Un-related to the crash site, I was returning to my car I came across an area of a recent flash flood near the parking lot.
Looking down to the ground I spotted a shell casing.

It was a Japanese 7.7

It gave me the shivers the second I picked it up.
I know it`s just a piece of brass, but it truly gave me the shivers.

I took it down to the U.S. Army Museum, Battery Randolph at Ft. DeRussy.

It is now part of a display.
 
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notbsd said:
Tо smellie, RRCo, and everyone else that talks about "vibes" and "energies".

How is your thinking about an object being "evil" or giving off "evil vibe" differ from the "evil guns kill people" line of thinking that anties spew?

銃規制に好きな人の言い分は、人が人を殺すのではなく銃が人を殺すのだ、である。
(Got to show off my Japanese minor)

I understand liking or disliking a gun for functionality, accuracy, ergonomics, etc. I'd even understand you disliking it what it is a symbol of Imperial Japanese militarism (and is Arisaka a better symbol of imperial Japan then a shin–gunto or kyokujitsuki? I'd debate it), but on it's own for the evil energies a piece of wood and steel has?

In doing that you become very similar to the very people whom your despise, the neo-samurai of post-Meiji restoration, who, mimicking their predecessors, thought that their katana has a soul of their own (and were those neo-samurai the "true" samurai, and appropriate symbols of Yamato–tamashi? Again, one can compare with the like of Yamaoka Tesshu, and make a strong argument that they were not).

Last point I am making, is that you can dislike, even hate individuals, but the whole nation, from the leadership to the lowly farmers, without regard for the timeframe, and for individual views? Sounds pretty bigoted.

Just sayin'
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Hm, should I bother?

Well, OK. First of all, I don't understand how you can have missed the obvious point that the "energies" that may attach to an object obviously would be the result of it's use in or presence at certain, shall we say, "disturbing" events. Obviously no object could possess such "energies" from new, at least not in anything like the same degree.

So I see no connection at all to anything hoplophobes or other victims of social Stockholm Syndrome may have to say. Your response is emotive and insufficiently considered.

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Zdragunov said:
I have 1945 dated K98 that was converted by Israel to 308. That one makes the hair stand up on my back sometimes for no reason.
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I own one and I tell folks that the rifle is interesting to me because it was not only converted mechanically to another calibre, it had all the references to the dark Nazi past peened off and the star of David added. It was then used by the people to defend their new nation who were likely at the end of a bayonet attached to a rifle just like it during the War. My Uncle also served with Benjamin Dunkelman during the war and was with my Uncle at Carpiquet Airport when he was killed on July 9th 1944. Dunkelman went on to Israel and served in its defence using one of these rifles. I wonder how he would have compared it to his No.4 mk1?
 
Winchester-1897 said:
I own one and I tell folks that the rifle is interesting to me because it was not only converted mechanically to another calibre, it had all the references to the dark Nazi past peened off and the star of David added. It was then used by the people to defend their new nation who were likely at the end of a bayonet attached to a rifle just like it during the War. My Uncle also served with Benjamin Dunkelman during the war and was with my Uncle at Carpiquet Airport when he was killed on July 9th 1944. Dunkelman went on to Israel and served in its defence using one of these rifles. I wonder how he would have compared it to his No.4 mk1?
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I wish these rifles could talk. Probably manufactured by forced labour, maybe made by Jews. Captured and given to Israel to protect its borders from their neighbours.
 
Zdragunov said:
I have 1945 dated K98 that was converted by Israel to 308. That one makes the hair stand up on my back sometimes for no reason.
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I like how they were converted to .308 makes it easier to pick up the ammo. I don't like the odd ball ammo you can only get online. I have to order some ammo for my k31. What a pain in the butt and I don't have a UPS address just post office box.
 
Nelson, spend 150 bucks on some reloading equipment, get a couple hundred RELOADABLE brass from Trade-Ex, some ordinary .308 slugs, carton of primers and a tub of 4895..... and you are well on your way to duplicating GP-11 at SIXTY CENTS a shot.

There is nothing strange or weird about WHAT the Swiss used in their ammunition.

What is UNUSUAL is the amount of CARE they took to stick with the specs.

YOU can do the same, if you CARE.

They CARED.
 
RRCo. said:
I have no desire to own a rifle or a bayonet that was never used as an instrument of anything but aggression, torture, misery and oppression.
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So you wish to own a rifle or bayonet that WAS used as an instrument of aggression, torture, misery and oppression?
I, too, lived in Japan. You seem to have misinterpreted the society. Not being born into it gives you an inability to understand it. Not your fault but you ought not to attempt to give your own ignorant interpretation of it.

An Arisaka rifle would be nice to own.
 
I have no desire to own a rifle or a bayonet that was never used as an instrument of anything but aggression, torture, misery and oppression

so... no russian, german, austrian, japanese, fascist italia or something like that.... history are full of aggression, torture, misery and oppression.....
 
Teapot said:
So you wish to own a rifle or bayonet that WAS used as an instrument of aggression, torture, misery and oppression?
I, too, lived in Japan. You seem to have misinterpreted the society. Not being born into it gives you an inability to understand it. Not your fault but you ought not to attempt to give your own ignorant interpretation of it.

An Arisaka rifle would be nice to own.
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Presumably not being born into it gives you an equal inability to understand "it"! Which must be why you know your interpretation is better than mine?

No matter, cultures are not interpreted in two or three paragraphs, even in North America friend.

However, I'm fully entitled to give my "interpretation" of certain aspects of it, as you are to give yours. I'm looking forward to it.

One of the things I cut out my first draft was a paragraph about the extreme difficulty of truly seeing the world through the eyes of someone of a completely different background and experience.

But I don't need to see it through someone else's eyes to know right from wrong, or to know brutal racism when I see it.

Complexity. It's too complex for most people.

antidote1985 said:
I have no desire to own a rifle or a bayonet that was never used as an instrument of anything but aggression, torture, misery and oppression

so... no russian, german, austrian, japanese, fascist italia or something like that.... history are full of aggression, torture, misery and oppression.....
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As a matter of fact, no, I don't own any of those weapons. I'd always thought it was because they just didn't interest me, with the exception of the pre-M98 Mausers, but maybe there was more to it...never thought about that before. But I don't think you can really call the Austrian Empire that oppressive or unpleasant, so I wouldn't rule out a Steyr M95 sometime:cool: After all, the design is said to have inspired the Ross.;)

Any one else?
 
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Personally I don't buy the argument that technology or items are evil. Only people can be evil. The Nazis and Japanese pulled off some fine engineering.

Every two me you look at Velcro, by your argent, you should shiver since it was indirectly brought to you by the V2 program.

Or how about turfing your Bushnell or nikkon gear? Clearly an outgrowth of the Nikko optics concern that built ww2 sniper scopes.

Arisakas are great rifles. If you chose to avoid them, great. But seriously, the attempt to guilt trip others is not appropriate.
 
Discusting act japs ve done with those rifles. If u look up the definition of evil. Look no further.
We r all familiar with what the japs did and now it is really up to us to ensure they never repeat that on our loved ones.
Feel blessed living on our great land with proper defense. Grow a pair and buy Canadian, rather than investIng in jap baby killas
 
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RRCo. said:
Here's that "weird vibe" you're feeling.

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This thread has become full of fail. As if buying old Japanese milsurp is somehow restoring the militarists to power. No more than buying a russian capture K98k is restoring the Nazis to power. :ninja:
 
And this, of course, is the same attitude the "anti's" take for wanting to prohibit the AR et al.

fail indeed... Deal with your own demons on your own time and stop fighting grand daddy's battles.
 
Claven2 said:
Personally I don't buy the argument that technology or items are evil. Only people can be evil. The Nazis and Japanese pulled off some fine engineering.

Every two me you look at Velcro, by your argent, you should shiver since it was indirectly brought to you by the V2 program.

Or how about turfing your Bushnell or nikkon gear? Clearly an outgrowth of the Nikko optics concern that built ww2 sniper scopes.

Arisakas are great rifles. If you chose to avoid them, great. But seriously, the attempt to guilt trip others is not appropriate.
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If you remember the thread began with a comment about the "weird vibe". I offered a suggestion for the origin of that based on first hand information I have had about the seeming capacity of objects to absorb "energies". I've discussed this offline with another poster who suggested I use here whatever I wanted of his reply to me. Plainly he is the wiser for not bothering to share perspectives or information for which there seems to be no interest.

We all know the qualities of German and Japanese engineering, although it's a bit of cliche at times. They also make mistakes and cut corners they shouldn't sometimes. But overall, the cultural devotion to quality is obvious and I've always admired it, while I despise the way we have allowed speculators to control our corporate governance in the English speaking world.

So, I enjoy my Japanese optics and many other products and art objects for that matter. I try put these things in their cultural and historical context as best I understand it, and I'm still learning.

I tried to share a bit of that with others here, but apparently it was wasted.

And if you think it's "grand-daddy's battles" you're deluded. The wars continue, only by other means.
 
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