SRM Arms Model 1216 - Semi-Auto Answer to Kel Tec KSG

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I'm writing this post purely from the standpoint of never ceasing to being impressed with some of the creativity in gun design. I'm not endorsing the SRM arms model 1216, nor would I buy one.... but it would be interesting to know if it were legal in Canada.

Simply, it is variation of the Kel Tec KSG idea. The KSG has two tubes below the barrel that can be selected, which hold rounds rounds per tube.

The Model 1216 is semi-automatic, and has four tubes holding four rounds each, that be quickly selected.

I'm not sure what the rules are regarding posting links to the gun entertainer under the fps russia banner who puts out almost weekly video's on youtube, but here is the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiZgSXfN-BA&feature=g-all-xit

Certainly, the AA12 fully automatic shotgun fps video was much more entertaining, but a gun like that is fantasyland stuff here in Canada.

Cheers, enjoy the weekend.
 
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i wouldnt be suprised if the 1216 is nonrestriced in canada. Its an auto-loader with a 4 shot magazine(s). Because the magazines need to be "manually indexed" (turned by hand) Its the same as changing the box magazine in a rifle or pistol. the individual magazines are mechanically null until positioned in the magazine well . I think the X-rail "auto indexes", which is similar. Verry cool idea, Ill betchya one of the larger companys will buy the rights to this design.
 
GijinsBS said:
i wouldnt be suprised if the 1216 is nonrestriced in canada. Its an auto-loader with a 4 shot magazine(s). Because the magazines need to be "manually indexed" (turned by hand) Its the same as changing the box magazine in a rifle or pistol. the individual magazines are mechanically null until positioned in the magazine well . I think the X-rail "auto indexes", which is similar. Verry cool idea, Ill betchya one of the larger companys will buy the rights to this design.
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The shotgun itself is indeed non-restricted. Unfortunately, even though it must be manually indexed, the powers that be state the magazine capacity in this case is determined by the sum of all 4 tubes, so it would have to be blocked at 5 rounds. See Blaxsun's post in this thread for more info:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=772407&highlight=1216
 
I appreciate the link fnrob.

In Canada, it appears there are general guidelines on things like barrel length and capacity, a bias towards any black gun, and also throw in whatever the 'gun police' determine i n their minds to be banned in Canada.

You have the 14+1 pump action Kel Tec KSG which is non-restricted, they say something like a two shot 8" barreled Grizzly 12 gauge is non-restricted and thus fine to take out into the woods, etc...

Many gun nuts here (much more knowledgeable than I) could go on & on with further examples.

If the 1216 were a pump action, I doubt it would be blocked. (How could it be, given the KSG)... but then, it wouldn't be what it is.

I did notice on a dealer page in the US they were soliciting for gun importers outside the US... No doubt, Canada wouldn't be the only country to ban the gun.

Also, I did try to look up the gun on the Canadian Firearms Centre web site, but I see that area is unavailable, being revised or updated or something.

Thanks again Rob for the answer / link. (bow)
 
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They made the Xrail a prohibited device pretty quickly so I do not think they would be giving out a non restricted classification any time soon . http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/201120106-78-eng.htm
Background

The maximum capacity of a cartridge magazine is set out in Part 4 of the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted. The Regulations prescribe “prohibited devices”, and a magazine that has a capacity which exceeds the maximum-permitted capacity is a prohibited device.

The XRAIL System magazine extender, which can be attached to semiautomatic shotguns, increases the magazine capacity to 22 cartridges (standard version) or 14 cartridges (compact version) which is more than the maximum-allowed capacity of five cartridges.

Implications

This is a public safety concern because these devices may inadvertently be acquired by Canadian businesses or individuals.

Businesses may be in possession of certain prohibited devices if appropriately licensed. However, individuals may not possess prohibited devices.

Businesses not licensed to possess prohibited devices that have the XRAIL System magazine extender in their possession must surrender or dispose of them through either the local police or their provincial/territorial Chief Firearms Officer. Failure to surrender or dispose of a prohibited device which one is not authorized to possess can lead to charges under the Criminal Code. This also applies to all individuals.

For further information on how to lawfully and safely surrender or dispose of these devices, the local police or the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program should be contacted. The CFP toll-free number is 1-800-731-4000.

This bulletin is intended to provide general information only. For legal references, please refer to the Firearms Act, the Criminal Code and associated Regulations. Provincial, territorial and municipal laws, regulations and policies may also apply.
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Greenhorse six said:
^^^ what he said, make it so it has a single removable/replaceable 4-5 round magazine.

Always wonder why nobody went that route, always blocky bulky box mags.

with tube mags you could carry a pouch of reloads like they did with the Spencer rifles.
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I already suggested this to them but they were not interested at this point in time. I have two in stock if anyone is interested but with pinned mags they are *****. One big problem is that the manufacture advertises them as having a 16 rd magazine. I presented my argument to the CFC as to why they were mistaken and the magazine should be considered a 4 x 4, I was told "Good try but nothing changes". I thought it smarter not to push the point on "multiple mags' in one unit! Stop and think about it!
 
I'm curious, what are the mags pinned to? 1 each, or are 3 of the mags pinned and 1 open at 4?
And... how much are they?
Big respect from bringing them in and giving it a shot!
 
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